Ben Stein to take on Darwinism on April 18

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libellule said:

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libellule said:


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I doubt dolphins or any others animals species can match our "intelligence".
It is not that we are qualitatively different from them (superior mamalian possess intelligence capacity + communication system like us) but we are quantitatively so far from them.

Take a human monkey from birth. Put all the efforts u want to develope his intelligence/memory, it will never match a well educated six years old children.
In fact, I believe 95% of the human beings, including the low educated ones with low knowledge, can own The Most Intelligent Monkey of All Time.

Again, I never said Dolphins were smarter than people. I agree we are quantatatively far ahead of them, but I would point out that it is our standards of measure being used to make this assessment.

So is it really a surprise that we determine ourselves to be superior?

 

As a humerous thought, what f they were to choose the criteria? I bet we would fall a lot shorter of their criteria than they do of ours.

 

 

 

==> I also never said "smarter". I said "match"

But do you think Dolphin have a conscience of their existence as we have ?
I personnaly doubt.

do you think dolphin have a conscience of the world we are living ?
I doubt too.

do you think Dolhin will EVER ask themselve the question : do you think we are more intelligent than human ?""

I think this is what make us so different of the others species :

conscience of our self
+ conscience of our world
+ big stupid all the time question like "are we more inteligent that Dolphins ?"

As Rocketpig pointed out there is a substantial amount of evidence that they are in fact self aware. And in fact there is evidence they are also aware that other dolphins and even humans have individuality. They believe that Dolphins actually have names for themselves and other dolphins, which if true definitely shows awareness of both self and others.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article714144.ece

Some have even speculated that Dolphins have creative and artistic abilities as well:

http://www.earthtrust.org/delrings.html

And as some of you may or may not have heard they are regarded as the only other species that engages in sex for fun :

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro04/web1/eberdan.html  (note that the primary subject of this link is not recreational procreation of Dolphins, aka you might have to read a bit)