20 million sellers for the wii!

[jimmay]

nintendo_fanboy said:

jimmay said:

If you keep on posting i'm going to keep on proving you wrong.

1). I've played most of the games you mentioned. Wii sports is little more than a tech demo. For decades the good sports games come with a full seasons worth of content mirroring the sport it is based on, many different options for playing the game, leaderboards and online. Wii sports is just the equivilant of an exibition match which is all you get from the tiny demo versions of real games. Warhawk didn't score any higher because it had no single player game, with a single player game it would have scored 85-50% instead of the 80% it did. Poor graphics wether you like it or not make the game worse. Does a film shot with a bad camera or a film watched on a bad screen make the acting or the script any worse? No it doesn't, but overall bad camera work or watching a film on a bad screen still makes the overall experence worse just like having bad graphics does. Most of wii sports games are broken and can be exploited. For example wii tennis, when you serve you can perform a super serve by flicking your wrist quickly instead of performing a real serve like you would in real life. The super serve beats the a.i. 80-90% of the time and against humans they miss most of the time and if they do return it, it will only come back as a miss hit shot and then with your follow up you just smash it past them. In wii bowling just press the d pad once to the right if your right handed or once to the left if your left handed then swing straight and as hard as you can and you'll get a strike most of the time and the rest of the time you'll get a spare. In wii boxing all you have to do is flail around like a mad man and you'll win. Also you can't use your created mii's in wii boxing.

Mario party is a stale series. You can't compare it to an fps saying all fps's are stale because fps's have different stories, are set in varied locations and time periods, feature different weapons, different special abilites, fps's are generally technically impressive and they mostly have a decent online compontent that keeps them fresh. Apart from mario party being stale the whole game is made pointless by the random taking away and awarding of stars which makes the game broken.

3). When the other versions of tiger woods have better graphics and online then why should the wii version score the same? A different take on the controls which are fun but fiddly and also have a few gltiches doesn't make up the difference.

4). Even without the pc the combined sales of the 360 and ps3 are higher than the wii. The wii might be able to out sell the 360 and ps3 combined but it's a fact that wii owners buy the least amount of third party games so third parties still won't stop puting most of their aaa games on the360/ps3/pc combo. Galaxy isn't a dumbed down game, wii play is, given the choice to work on the new bioshock or the new wii play what do you think developers will choose.

That first sentence made me laugh quite a bit because I can't remember a single time you proved me wrong. However:

1) HappySquirrel made good points about this. The thing Wii Sports lacks are not needed for the people that like it. Also, even if sports games used to mirror the real sport, there's no reason for Wii Sports to do so too. You can't compare the visuals of a film to the graphics of a game. Wii Sport's graphic is good enough for the gameplay, it 's not ugly and nothing. There's no reason for it to be better.
I have no problem to take down a fast serve in tennis, and I can perform it with a regular service so I don't see why this is broken. Bowling is like real life bowling: If you know the trick, you can get Strikes. It may be a bit easier to do it in Wii Sports, but you still need skill to do it. Boxing can be very deep if you do it right, and you CAN use your Mii's.

Well, Mario Party has new Minigames in every part, and I think this is even better than a new story or a new environment. As I said, I haven't played 8, but no game until 6 has random awarding and taking away of stars, so I can't really imagine 8 does all those things worse.

You haven't even mentioned the other games, so I assume you accept my points there.

 

3) You can't compare graphics in scores between consoles. A game on the Wii that takes the max out of its capabilities should score higher in graphics than a mediocre game on the 360 even if the 360 game is still prettier. I made my point about online before.

4) Have you seen the thread with total third party sales? The sales on the Wii are almost as high as on the 360 and much higher than on the PS3. The old "Nintendo consoles sell less third party games" is a myth and easily explainable if you think that the last two Nintendo consoles also had the least good third party games. Why do third parties have to make Wii Play like games and not Mario Galaxy like games? That makes no sense to me. They can also do high profile games on the Wii and that should give them just as much joy as making high profile games on the other consoles.

1).Well you sure are living up to your user name nintendo fanboy. I've proved you wrong every step of the way and i'll continue to do so. I've said this to happysquirrel and i'll say the same to you, if something is designed to be short, shallow, easy and dumb because casual gamers who have bad taste in games like that then people can't critise it because that is what it was meant to be? It doesn't matter if a group of people like short, shallow, easy and dumb games, they can buy as many of them as they like but it still doesn't change the fact they are short, shallow, easy and dumb games that receive low review scores.

If you think you can properly return all power serves in wii tennis then you arent playing anybody that is good. A power serve puts your player out of position and any decent player will then put it past you with the next shot, that's if you can return it in the first place which is down to luck more than skill due to you not actually controling the players movement, more often then not the computer will make your mii dive and against a power shot it can go any where. As for wii bowling, yeah it's just like real life, in real life i move an inch to the right and i get a strike or spare everytime...and boxing has little skill just swing your arms like mad man is all you have to do. In boxing you can't fight against your created mii's.

With mario party 8 do yourself a favour and actually read the reviews which state as fact stars get randomly awarded and taken away which breaks the game instead of arguing about a game you havent played. All the other games have the same basic flaws as wii sports a.k.a. short, shallow, too easy, no online, limited or no leaderboards, poor graphics, poor sound effects, hit and miss controls, poor a.i. etc.

3). Yes you can compare graphics between consoles, and they always will be compared, all three consoles can be brought now and all can play games, people look at them and can see what looks the best. So basically what your saying is, in a real life race it doesnt matter who can run the fastest it's all about personal best times, so the guy who can only run the 100 metres in 50 seconds but beats his best time by 3 seconds whould be rated higher then the guy who can run it in 9 seconds but only beat his best time by 0.1 seconds...hahaha no.

4). Yes i have seen that thread and it's just for one week, but what you fail to realise is for it to make sense for developers to support the wii over the x360/ps3 combo the wii needs to sell more than the x360/ps3 combo. Just using that one weeks worth of sales the wii has 875,000 in third party sales where as the x360/ps3 has 1,800,000 between them, that's more than double and not even close. And that's not even counting pc sales. Developers have to make wii play type games because those types of games sell more on the wii.