ps4tw said:
If you dont consider unreal 4 a big improvement over unreal 3 then your probably have no idea of the differences. Your argument is like getting a caveman and asking him the difference between a pile of steaming cow shit and the mona lisa, and when you get a bewildered look back you just jump in, flailing your arms declaring the argument defeated. A console is a next gen console when it supports next gen engines. You didnt get the memo about how industry standards tend to mean that they all shoot for roughly the same hardware so if it can run unreal 4, it can probably also run cryengine 3 and the rest. With that link you didnt read the best part "Unreal Engine 4 will still be used to power games on both platforms, but developers won’t easily reach the quality levels promised by the original Unreal 4 demo two years ago." See the important word "easily". As we all know, the PS4 only revealed itself to have 8gb of ram on that very same day so we know that epic didnt factor that into the demo. Your saying a next gen console doesnt have to be able to play next gen games. Say that again, to yourself, and see if you still believe it. Stop talking about generation with regard to biology and being the next one. If thats the case then holy shit whats the xbox as that just appeared out of the red, white and blue smoke of the usa and wasnt following dick. |
Calm yourself down, good sir. You are arguing over the internet. If you're not debating for the fun of it, then you're doing it wrong.
Your definition is problematic because, as I've mentioned repeatedly and you still have never addressed, you never classify how MANY of these supposed next gen engines a console must support to be classified as next gen. If you have a number in mind, by all means, list it. Considering how you've ignored this point for so long, I'm going to assume you don't have anything specific unless you say otherwise here.
I also might add that your definition only stands for this particular generation. Volumetric lighting hasn't been in video games for that long. Considering aboslutely no games from, say, then 1990s use volumetric lighting, how would your definition apply there? Has there only been one jump between console generations ever?
We need a definition that concretely stands for all time, not something that you make up on the fly because it excludes what you're trying to exclude.
Cant remember more than a post at a time or something because thats how your acting.
I'm assuming this is meant to be a question, and it's meant to say "Can you not remember more than a post at a time or something? Because that's how you're acting."
Setting aside your stunning aptitude for grammatical skills, yes, I can. You continually redefine your own terms, though. First you said a next gen engine was one that has volumetric lighting, then it was one that shows "big improvements," and now it's back to volumetric lighting."
If you dont consider unreal 4 a big improvement over unreal 3 then your probably have no idea of the differences. Your argument is like getting a caveman and asking him the difference between a pile of steaming cow shit and the mona lisa, and when you get a bewildered look back you just jump in, flailing your arms declaring the argument defeated.
Let me quote your own argument back to you.
"If you don't consider my opinion to be the right opinion, then you're just stupid and you can't argue."
Once again, what we are searching for here is a CONCRETE definition. A definition that is NOT left up to someone's opinion. A definition should be something that, regardless of how crazy an opinion there is, it will still fit. Definitions are objective, not subjective. You're trying to claim that there's an objective truth behind whether graphics look good or not, and that's simply silly.
if it can run unreal 4, it can probably also run cryengine 3 and the rest. With that link you didnt read the best part "Unreal Engine 4 will still be used to power games on both platforms, but developers won’t easily reach the quality levels promised by the original Unreal 4 demo two years ago." See the important word "easily". As we all know, the PS4 only revealed itself to have 8gb of ram on that very same day so we know that epic didnt factor that into the demo.
One more thing about definitions. "Probably" shouldn't be in them.
I read the entire article, but that's playing into my entire point, and I'm a little surprised you're making my argument for me.
Let's run with your horribly subjective definition for a moment, and say that there's some quantifiable term for "good graphical improvement." Let's say also, that games running below that quality level promised don't mean this term, but games in the future when the quality level is reached will. Does the console become next gen at that particular point? Is it always next gen if there's just some unrealized potential? Again, there's another level of subjectivity here.
Your saying a next gen console doesnt have to be able to play next gen games.
A game is next gen if it is designed for a next gen console, yes? How would a next gen console possibly NOT play next gen games? That scenario doesn't even exist.
Even going by your incredibly shallow standards of graphical comparison, that doesn't make sense.
Stop talking about generation with regard to biology and being the next one.
I know this is going to be a huge shock to you, but guess where the term "generation" in regards to technology originated from.
Here's a hint. It starts with bio.
The idea of a generation, regardless of humans, animals, plants, cars, houses, or even action figures, is the NEXT group of things. It's not "so long as such and such meets certain standards." It's the NEXT one in line.
If thats the case then holy shit whats the xbox as that just appeared out of the red, white and blue smoke of the usa and wasnt following dick.
Now I'm going to have to question whether you're reading posts or not, as I explained this several posts ago.
I'll try and do it more simply this time.
The term "generation" is not in reference to when a certain variety of something began. It's when the whole classification started. For example, if the original Ford T-Model counts as the "first generation" of car, that is the car's first generation. When Hyundai joins the market in 1967, they aren't making first "generation" cars. They enter into whatever generation is currently ongoing.
It's the same with the X-Box. The X-Box enters into the 6th generation of consoles. A company doesn't need to have 5 generations of their own variety preceding them in order to join the 6th generation.
