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d21lewis on 22 November 2013
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DerNebel said:
marley said:


It's true, Nintendo fans don't find Sonic to be new, they find it to be mediocre.  Dropping sales?  Compared to what, their successes on the Wii?

Nintendos fanbase is unwilling to give them attention, because for 20 years 3rd party companies treated them like second-class citizens or just ignored them entirely.  They gave terrible support to all of Nintendo's consoles and there is always some excuse for it.  The excuse now is that it's the consumers fault, but that's bogus.  They created an entire demographic that looks down on their games by giving them poor service for decades. 

I'd contend that 3rd parties need as many consumers and as much capital as they can get, consider how many have gone out of business or had to merge to stay alive. 

Consumers spend money to reward a business for delivering a product that they want.  That onus is 100% on the business.  Instead of giving the consumers 'something they want to buy', 3rd parties give them the ultimatum 'buy what we want to give you'.  If 3rd parties want to continue to ignore a relatively large consumer base and it's potential captial, well that's their business (it's just bad business).  If they lack the creative capacity to create games that can compete with Nintendo's IPs, well that's not the consumers fault either. 

Oh right, third parties just shunned Nintendo for no reason at all, it had nothing to do with Nintendo majorly fucking them over in the NES/SNES era. They didn't jump ship because the N64 was horrible to develop for, still used cartridges and had a way smaller userbase than the PS1. It wasn't third parties treating Nintendo like second-class it was the other way round, Nintendo thought they could do anything they wanted with third parties and that bit them in the ass.

And Nintendos fans are just the same, to this day still treating 3rd party games as inherently worse than Nintendos', even going as far as caliing them unable to make something to compete with Nintendos' IPs (see what I did there?).

Also, yeah sure publishers need to make more cash that's true and if they'd make any on Wii U then they'd support it more, but making a Wii U port (which is not free)  and then selling 100.000 copies (if at all) of it, well let's just say I doubt they're making any cash with that. So it's absolutely not bad business for third parties to ignore the Wii U, what would be bad business is investing tons of money into a game that in theory is "something the Wii U fans want to buy", which in turn would probably have alot less appeal (ergo less sales) to the PS/Xbox crowd, just for that game to sell well under expectations on the Wii U, because "third parties treat us bad","I don't know the game","it's not from Nintendo".

Now Nintendo fans are a interested in other types of games than PS/Xbox gamers, but that didn't stop even games that do in theory appeal to the Nintendo crowd from bombing and sure third parties might need some iterations of a game before it really reaches its potential but like you've said they don't exactly have that much money to spare, so they can't afford losing money on 2-3 games before making any profit not like there is any indication that a risk like that would ever pay off on Wii U.

This guy gets it.  As much as I love Nintendo, they were assholes at one point in time.  They created their own weakness.