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jlmurph2 on 18 November 2013
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forevercloud3000 said:
Licence said:
forevercloud3000 said:
Licence said:
forevercloud3000 said:
Licence said:

I just don't think that because MS (and Nintendo) has been guilty of this, that Sony should somehow be off the hook. 

We should not accept sub-par products. We should expect quality. If the multi-billion companies we give our hard-earned cash to do not deliver on this, they need to be held accountable. Stop the apologetics, stop the rationalizations - Sony deserves the bad publicity it is getting.


But that is just it, its not some sub-par product. The system is going through stereotypical yield issues at it's launch. Some are trying to inflate the numbers to give them a worse appearance than they actually are.

Like the article describes, this is no way the second coming of RROD yet. Reading some of these articles tho you would think it was.

This is exactly the type of apologetic behaviour that I think is simply unacceptable. There is no such thing as "stereotypical yield issues at at's launch" unless we come to accept these things as somehow normal and to be expected.

The PS4 is a closed eco-system. There is no excuse for it not to work perfectly under normal conditions. What we are seeing here is Sony simply allowing a sub-quality product to be shipped in order to meet Christmas deadlines. Nobody should be OK with this.

yield issues are an unavoidable occurance when electronics go into production. This means that no matter how careful they could be, error is going to happen.  That is why they are seen as normal. Its mostly about trying to keep the numbers of these issue as low as possible. This situation right here......is pretty damn low. 

Its a lot like how the food industry works. All of our food has small traces of contaminants like rat feces or insects. Its not a question of does it have or doesn't, they all do. Its a question of "how much". There is no reasonable/realistic way from stopping it entirely.

Why this is being expected of Sony, god only knows...


Are they that low though? Do we have comparative numbers with other electronics, like say the IPad 5?

http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pop/lm_failureRates.html

according to this site the avg electronic failure rate is 15% in a 2-3yr period

IPad 2 = 9.8%

iPhone 5 = 5%+

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-360-failure-rate-237-ps3-10-wii-27-study/1100-6216691/

PS3 = 10%

Wii = 2.7%

http://consumerist.com/2009/08/17/xbox-360-failure-rate-is-542-percent-game-informer-finds/

Xbox360 = 54%, but now down to about 15% depending on who you talk to.

That's ridiculous. How are you going to take references from a site that specifically says Xbox 360 = 23.7 PS3 = 10 Wii = 2.7 and then use a completely different reference to inflate the rate?? The first article was even posted AFTER the consumerist one.