If Obamacare fails, then what?

[Kasz216]

Tigerlure said:

Kasz216 said:

MDMAlliance said:

Oh i just thought you were talking about cost cutting, as usually when people talk about just how expensive medicaid and medicare are they tend to make 1 of 2 points.

1) The government is really inefficent.

2) Healthcare is fucked up because bargaining is so split up.

 

The truth is, neither is true.  Well, government is really inefficient, but not in this particular case.

 

I think the difference between me and most people is that I disagree with captain kirk.  I do believe in the no-win scenario. 

 

Healthcare I believe is one of those situtations.  Free Market, Single Payer, everything in between.   I don't think any of it will actually fix healthcare costs.  At least not without drastically cutting research and adoption of new technology.

 

5%  of the people end up using 50% of our healthcare and healthcare costs.

 

At the end of the day, cutting down the number of people with multiple major health risks is the only way to REALLY get the costs down...

and THAT needs to be done via personal responsibility/lifestyle changes.

In otherwords, we're fucked.

So you think there's no ways to lower costs? Or make sure those that have pre-existing conditions get healthcare?

More or less.   I mean, there is a way to make sure pre-existing condition people get healthcare, but it's going to rapidly increase healthcare costs per capita, since people with a couple prexisting conditions already cost >50% of healthcare services.

So costs will be even more of a hindering bitch that will eventually get too out of control. 

We'd probably end up with things like the fat tax.