If Obamacare fails, then what?

[Baalzamon]

sc94597 said:

Baalzamon said:
Disclaimer: I'm a conservative.

Get rid of the entire thing. Provide nationalized healthcare (not nationalized insurance...2 totally different things). Have a minimal deductible (or a % for certain things) associated with the healthcare (I feel some deductible is necessary to prevent clogging of the system from people going in when they really don't need to). Insurance companies will most definitely still exist. They will certainly be smaller, but they will exist to cover many of the things not covered by the nationalized healthcare.

Also associated with the nationalized healthcare needs to be some sort of regulation on pricing. I realize this will be the hard part, but we can't have companies charging our government 50 dollars for a band aid provided in the emergency room. I have an incredibly hard time believing a system like this will cost our government more than we are already spending. Many countries with nationalized healthcare are spending massively less than the US as it is. What I am saying is that a system like this should not require any additional taxes to be assessed. None. So if it ever does get up, and they insist they need to make a new tax for it, they are full of crap. They don't. Let me make that clear, a system like above, that would make everything so much simpler, and everybody so much happier, does not need more taxes.

You're certainly not a fiscal libertarian/conservative if you promote the nationalization of the second largest service industry in the country. That's as socialist as it gets (the means of production is monopolized by government.) Anyway, there doesn't need to be taxation to harm people fiscally in this case, because an entire service industry will collapse. But taxes will increase because you'll have to pay off all of the private instititutions and making them public, that's not billions, but trillions of dollars that would have to be spent up front, unless you're promoting the theft of these institutions in addition to the mandate that no group shall provide healthcare but the government. 

I really don't understand how one can be a conservative in the modern American sense (which has strong roots in classical liberalism) and also promote the nationalization of any market. 

Financially, I am incredibly conservative but certainly have SOME liberal views relative to politics. I am all for the government providing healthcare. Just like I have nothing against gay marriage. That is why I would never be able to be elected as a Republican (nor do I vote Republican...or Democrat), haha...they would all say I'm not actually a Republican. But that is besides the point.

I also don't know if it would be necessary for the government to purchase every single hospital. The government provides a medicare system that (relatively) works pretty well. While I have a hard time with the government being the one to mandate pricing and whatnot...it is not necessary for them to own the companies.

I realize that ANY solution is going to have certain bad things for it. The reality is, however, that I feel a nationalized healthcare stands the best chance at being a good solution years down the road.