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ethomaz said:

Seece said:

Then why did the Sony Gaming division only lose a paltry amount?

Give over. This is total BS. Not even 360 and Xbox lost this amount in R&D, nowhere near. Neither of them had 360 hardware, software and LIVE backing up profits either.

Sony is posting R&D for PS4 since last quarter 2012... I don't know if MS did the same... some companies post everything in one quarter.

And yeah... R&B + Marketing for new consoles is over $2 billion for sure.

Unless you have figures (and over what span are we even talking) I woudn't assume anything.

Fact is in NO year od the EDD/Xbox Division has it lost $2 billion. That's with Xbox making serious losses in the run up to 360 launching and losing $1b on RROD and losses on the console itself.

The EDD was making profit before Android was even around and it's been steady since 08. If Android is netting MS as much as has been quoted, it's not in this division, because NO bump has been seen anywhere. Why would the Android Patentless EDD go from $400/$300/$600m and then stay at that level after Android became big? At that point without android you would be expecting $1.5b in losses ... how would you explain that? Xbox profitable in 07/08/09 to 1.5b losses onwards?

I think by looking at Sony and Nintendo it's evident MS are making profit. The 360 is profitable at the price it's at (after two revisions) the software is profitable, and live is profitable. None of those are 'sinkhole's.

360 ecosystem will be propping up Xbox One development.