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irstupid said:

When i say minority I mean people on gaming sites, those who look at reviews, ect.

Out of the 160 million gamers or whatever number it is.  multi console owners, multi same console owners, ect reduce that number.

But whatever the true 160 million is, I would say at best only 5% of that number consists of all people at IGN, Joystic, VGcharts, ect combined.    That's what I mean when I say minority.

Wii Fit you have $100 + $250 for the Wii.  Parents ate it up.  But I was comparing the price of Kinect/One to the price of say an eliptical, or a bowflex, or year gym membership.

Peopl splurge on shit like that all the time and end up using it for a copule weeks or the gym only till February.  I would not be surprised if my parents buy an Xbox One because they see the people on Today show or something showing off some new great exercise game.  They use it for a couple weeks then it will collect dust.  Maybe my dad would still use the kinect to play around with TV, but none of them would game.  Then if I still lived with my parents I would have a FREE Xbox to buy games for instead of having to pay $400 for a PS3.  Free is cheaper than $400.

Oh and i bet my parents don't remember what a Kinect is.  If Microsoft has some good commercial or as I said something on Today show or good morning america or whatever they will think its something new.  Kinect may get a jump due to what we would call a "fad" but a jump is all it may take for something to win.  The first one to solidly get the consumer base will win.  Look how much xbox still owns in U.S.  and did its whole life.  

There is some number that whatever console reaches it first will win in that territory.  Whether its 5 million or 10 million.  or if its maybe a certain threshold lead whether 1 million or 5 million.  Whatever the thing is.  Once it happens, it will be very very very hard to turn around.  No amount of amazing lineup will bridge that gap or advertising.  Word of mouth or friends have it, is just too big of an obstacle.  

And no there is not more PS3 out there, I'm not talking WW.  There is nearly double the 360 out there.  I'm from America, and those are the only numbers that matter when i'm talking about word of mouth or friends, ect. none of my friends or I have friends from Europe or Japan and couldn't care less what systems they own.  So for my sales arguments sake, America only matters.   If your from europe I suspect its the complete opposite and everyone of your friends has PS3 and only half 360's.

The Kinect could be a nothing, huge or a quick fad.  I'm just saying that if its either of the last two, it could be just the little nudge that makes the xbox one a winner in NA again.  


You have little to no support saying we are in the minority of people who buy consoles. Either back it up, or drop it.

Wii Fit was still 150 dollars cheaper. I don't know what fantasyland you live in, but that's a good chunk of cash. Stop comparing the Xbone to the Wii, it's not similar at all.

I don't remember any fitness buffs saying "I think I will buy Wii fit instead of weights or treadmills". It's not the same market, no one is going to drop the same or even half the amount of money on an xbox for fitness as they would for weights. It's just not going to happen.

PS4 will be the same thing, today show will show it, people will splurge, your arguments are so tunnel visioned it's hilarious. Showing Kinect off is not going to do any more than it did last time. Probably less than last time, considering price and the law of diminishing returns.

Free is cheaper than 400 dollars, how does that factor into total sales? You're thinking everyone in the world is just going to count on their paretns to buy it because of something they saw on the today show and that somehow justifies it being more expensive. I shit you not, I laughed when I read this. It has no logical basis whatsoever.

US is not the world pal, and PS4 is looking to make deep inroads in the American market. Xbox will still win America, but not by much. And playstation will still dominate everwhere else. PS3 beat Xbox this gen in sales whether you like it or not. You say America is all that matters, but the thread title is "winning next gen" not "winning America"

You just beat your own word of mouth argument yourself. Sure word of mouth and friends will work for America. It's the opposite in Europe though, and Japan. So how exactly does having word of mouth in one country negate word of mouth in the others? There are more PS3 worldwide. That's why PS3 beat 360. What is complicated here?