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_crazy_man_ said:
Stever89 said:
Question for you people: Would you make Lucario a special sweeper or a physical sweeper? His attack/sp. attack are pretty similar, I kinda prefer the special attacks (Aura Sphere - Fight, Flash Cannon -Steel, Psychic, Dark Pulse) over what I'd make his physical attack set be (Close Combat - Fight, Earthquake - Ground, Poison Jab - Poison, Shadow Claw - Ghost) due to having a steel type attack, though the physical set has a bit more coverage of types. Also would you recommend a +Speed nature or a +Att/Sp.Att nature? His speed is already pretty high (90 on Lucario and 112 on Mega Lucario). Also note that Mega Lucario has an ability that increases the STAB to 2x instead of 1.5x, so having a steel type move is kinda nice when a fighting move wouldn't be as effective (though they share a lot of type strengths so it might be a moot point).

I assume EVs would be max Speed/Att (or Sp.Att). Thanks for your input.

Have you thought of using Swords Dance or Nasty Plot +3 Attacks instead of Hyper Offensive?

Now to answer your Attack vs. Special,  an attack set gives you priority moves like Bullet Punch & Extreme Speed with slightly more damage while a Special set has Vaccum Wave for priority and a surprise factor (since its less used).

Your physical set needs some tweaking, try this:

 

Lucario @ Lucarionite

Justified -> Adaptability | Jolly

252 Att / 252 Spe / 4 HP

Swords Dance 

Crunch

Bullet Punch

Close Combat

 

If you don't want Mega Lucario then just swap Bullet Punch with Extreme Speed.  Normal Lucario prefers Adamant, Mega likes Jolly.

As for a Special set, I think only Mega Lucario can work with this (without Adaptability a Physical set just does better):

 

Lucario @ Lucarionite

Justified -> Adaptability | Timid

252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP

Nasty Plot

Dark Pulse / Shadow Ball

Vacuum Wave / Aura Sphere

Flash Cannon

 

Dark Pulse gives you a chance of flinching, Shadow Ball gives you a chance of lowering their Special Defense.  Vacuum Wave if you want to hit faster pokemon or Aura Sphere for power.

Thanks, this is some really great advice. Unfortunately I'm not quite as hard core into Pokemon as I use to be, so going for a Hidden Ability and a bunch of egg moves is way beyond what I'm looking to do. It also seems Serebii hasn't completely updated their Gen 6 Pokedex as half those moves weren't even listed. Because I generally don't competitive play, I generally go for high power attacks, and a range of types, and neglect using stat boosters or other trickery type moves (like trick room, sand attack, etc) that I know can be used in amazing ways, butI just generally don't do that, with the idea that any type I come up against I pretty much have a response to it and hopefully kill them in one hit or at least before they kill me (and I wrote a program that helps me pick move types so I get the highest range, most of my Pokemon can hit super effectively ~75% of all types, single or double).

Part of the reason I'm going with Lucario next is because my first two Pokemon (Mega Garchomp and Lapras) both lack decent ways to deal with Fairy types when I'm in the Battle Maison, and having a steel or poison type (as I mentioned in my post) attack would make it easier, plus Lucario wouldn't be quite as weak to them as Garchomp, and more powerful than Lapras is. I'll probably go with Special sweeper just so I can have that steel attack for Fairy types and still have the STAB. But I'm still undecided. I guess I'll see where my Lucario ends up nature wise and IV wise once I breed a few. If I can't get any with Timid I might go with the attack route (as a strong Poison attack against a Fairy if you have strong attack stat would probably be enough to kill them anyway).

Thanks though, very useful, gives me a lot to think about!