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haxxiy on 21 October 2013
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drkohler said:
haxxiy said:

And three times the ICMS, plus ICMS-ST. I'm 110% sure this would not apply to any case whatsoever on real life.

I'm telling you this is passível de ação do minstério público for blatant lies and misinformation. For real.

The left table is very badly structured but the calculations are all correct (I haven't checked if the order of taxes is correct by I assume it is). The final price assumes that the boxes are shifted interstate once. The only way to reduce the price is for Sony to open a shop at the harbour and sell PS4s there. There is no way MS can sell at their price without massive losses, if they also import the whole thing. Maybe they found a loophole and import the boxes in parts and make a few screws nd assemble the stuff in Brazil...

Nope. You have no idea what is going on. The problem isn't the numbers. No one here thinks they are retarded enough to miscalculate them. For instance ICMS is a notoriously a non-cumulative tax and instead is charged four times in the table. Same for IPI - the federal government can charge it during three specific ocasions, the only one of which applies to the PS4 is customs clearance. If MS asssembled the X1 here they would have to pay it all the same, because it's output of an industrial plant, another situation where the tax is charged.

And I can give you a hundred examples of direct imports of closed boxes who come nowhere as close to the value Sony is charging, even accounting for IPI differences... that is, unless you want to believe, as I mentioned before, Apple is enduring USD 4000-6000 losses on their MacBooks, ditto for Microsoft and their products.