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theprof00 on 20 October 2013
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JayWood2010 said:
theprof00 said:

You're only choosing to look at part of the picture.

x360 was the only "HD" console out for over a year, had gears, fable, viva pinata, PGR, Kameo, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Crackdown.

Yet was still outsold launch aligned by a system with no games.

 

There is something wrong with your logic formula here, and the answer, if you take a step back and look at the bigger picture is what I'm saying.. my "theory" fits all the criteria you are putting to it.
A system sells early on based on potential. Having games improves that potential. As long as your system is viewed as having potential, it will sell.

What you're saying is that it is because of the games themselves that xbox360 did better than xbox. The answer is yes and no. Games helped the system sell, yes. But it's not necessarily the games themselves that did the selling, but the potential value those games created for the system.

Otherwise, using your metric, you still can't logically explain why ps3 outsold 360 launch aligned.

Unlesss......and here's the kicker, you resort to saying that it was the playstation brand itself that sold the system. While that would also be slightly innaccurate, it does come to the same conclusion that we will now be looking at yet another playstation brand console release. You could argue that ps3 degenerated the playstation brand and so that will result in less sales, but preorders and first year projections would say if anything it's ony strengthened since ps4 is now the most preordered console of all time.

1 You say things like your opinion equals fact when it isn't and that your way of thinking is the only way.  The reason PS3 has outsold X360 is because of X360 is nonexistent in Japan and not near as big of a brand world wide "logically speaking".  Look at American numbers which is what this thread is all about in the first place(Look at the title) and you can't say that the PS3 has outsold it during launch.  In fact I believe the numbers are 45m to 31m.

2 Just because I believe something different than you doesn't make it illogical.  You really shouldn't be using words like that in discussions any way as it appears you have nothing to resort to but play offensively saying "well youre just illogical" instead of actually stating why you believe a different way.

3I stated in the OP that as of this moment yes Sony is selling PS4 off of its brand and the promise of Sony branded games as they've earned the trust this generation.  However this is talking primarily about the early adopters and I still see no reason for the "majority" to jump on the PS4 just yet.  As it always has been "Software sells hardware".

4 Maybe if you can explain to me and everybody else why the PS4 will spark the world in 2014 pre-E3 (Jan-June) then let us know.  As of this moment the reasons are InFamous, Destiny, and Watch Dogs.  Two of which is multiplat and Current and next-gen.

1 I'm not speaking as if my way is the only way. I'm saying if you take a second, and look at what I've put forward, you'll see that my solution addresses every problem, whereas yours does not.

You say " The reason PS3 has outsold X360 is because of X360 is nonexistent in Japan and not near as big of a brand world wide "logically speaking"." But you've ignored my point, which was that ps3 still had nogaemz. Regardless of x360's existence world-wide, you put forward the idea that games are necessary for the system. How can a system with nogaemz outsell a system with all those games. x360 even had many japanese exclusives, and for the most part timed exclusives, and one of the top rated jrpgs 'lost odyssey'.

The obvious answer here is that games isn't the end all be all. Don't you agree? I mean, there isn't really much to fix that one gap in the theory. 'logically', that would mean the theory could use a tweak, because you're right. It DOES work. It just doesn't work well enough. We could add something to it. This is why my theory is closely related, and yet I don't understand why you refuse to look at it properly. Video games are necessary to a system, but more importantly video games are necessary to a system to create potential, because potential is the most important sales tool for a system. Even back in the early ps3 days, there was a vgc meme trolling ps3 saying "selling on potential". Look at marketing. It's all about creating this potential library. Look how many games get announced and then never made. If it was games that were the most important, why didn't they get made? Why do consoles see a jump after e3 just because of announcements? If you really think about it, you would see that my theory covers the gaps quite a deal better. Systems sell on potential, and having games helps that. Even think about system sellers like ps1's ff7. ff7 created this idea that ps1 was a system that had those kinds of games...but how many ff7s did ps1 really have? 1? 2? I could think of Xenogears and Grandia and Chronocross.

2 I never said that. I saw a gap. Your theory doesn't cover the gap. Arguably, that would mean the theory doesn't work. It's illogical. I have stated why I believe differently and it appears you don't even know what I'm saying. Please prove to me "instead of actually stating why you believe a different way". Please post what I said, and line by line prove to me I did that. Hint: You can't, because I did explain why.

3 Yes, we agree on that. The problem though isn't that you believe "software sells hardware". Need I remind you...you said -
"I mentioned that as well somewhere.  Both in chat and on VGC.  Sony really doesn't have much announced for the first half of next year and I expect a significant dropoff after the holidays because of that.  They have InFamous but that is all we know of. (As far as I am aware)"

You instead believe, "hardware doesn't sell without software". Perhaps you disagree with my interpretation, but that's what you're saying. 'Without major releases, ps4 will show a significant dropoff, excluding natural effects like seasonal buying and launch trends. ' You disagreed with my on both those points earlier. I can quote if you need.

4 Sure I would definitely do that, had I made that my point in the first place. If you recall correctly, I simply said that sales would drop off because of seasonal buying and launch trends, and disagreed that it was the lack of jan-june major releases that would be the major effect on sales drop. Logically, it would appear that you're not reading what I'm writing. Your reason for doing so is your own problem to deal with.

 

Again, to recap very succinctly. PS4 will have a dropoff primarily due to seasonal buying and launch sales trends, not lack of AAA exclusives. In my corner, I have the history of every major console releases to back it up. AAA games would help, but they aren't necessary because of several reasons which I've already mentioned twice now. I'm not going to continue the argument though. Instead, I will bookmark this page, and we'll talk about it again come next year.

-ciao