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dsgrue3 on 17 October 2013
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AstroGamer said:
dsgrue3 said:

I could just copy my same response, that's how bad your argument is.

Random doesn't mean we don't have all the variables, it means random. Not having all variables != random. Random means, even with all the variables we cannot come to a definitive conclusion.

The only argument for randomness in nature is quantum physics and it may or may not be the case since it's not well understood, nor does it apply to macro-level where classical physics is still king. 

Imprecise weather models are not a product of randomness, they are a product of incomplete models. 

There is no true randomness in reality. In fact, i was never actually arguing that natural selection is random in the first place. It was some idiot who thought that when I said "randomly"  it meant random. I meant the universe acts in a certain complex way that  it causes several different forces to act on a population that it causes certain traits to be passed.Don't getting hung up a word when it says "in a way". That means it could be described as such. For example, the implications of the Heisenberg Principle can be considered random, but in reality, it just that we cannot determine all the variables at the same moment. If you take nature on an actual macro scale where you consider all the forces of nature, it takes on a randomness like I described. The wind, the moisture, the clouds, the predators, the prey, mutations, the composition of the ground, composition of the air  and the adaptation of the species are only a few of the variables that influence evolution. Now think about all those variables and the way they interact both each other and the examined species. Wouldn't you consider that at least bit chaotic?

You literally change your argument every single time you post and then get offended when you struggle to type what you actually mean.

"Oh dude by random I didn't mean random"

I'm inclined to agree with a deterministic Universe, but I don't claim certainty in this regard as you seem to be. Maybe you didn't mean it? 

The traits that are passed are not random in any way, they come straight from your parents.

Okay now you claim that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is random, yet already said randomness doesn't exist. Which is it? Stick to a position, you're jumping around like a kid with ADHD.

Can't be bothered to read the rest.