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fatslob-:O on 15 October 2013
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J_Allard said:
fatslob-:O said:

#1 Now windows phone and zune aren't exactly successful, are they ? You tell me what else was successful about their entertainment and devices division other than the xbox. 

#2 Profits matter but microsoft still hasn't broke even yet. So that arguement works against you and BTW my "opinion" about gamecube being a failure is in accordance to the mass market so it doesn't matter whether I call it a failure or not it is recognized as a failure by the general public.

#3 Preorders don't tell the whole story and FYI the PS3 also had another model going for 499 too just like the xbone but this time it's in a worse economy. 

Yeah I have already read so why are you bringing other console manufacturers into this when this is about microsoft being able to compete ?

1. Sorry but this backpedaling non-answer isn't going to cut it. You asked me in a pretty smarmy manner whether or not I knew that the division was "mostly Xbox". So I am asking for the exact breakdown, since you apparently know it. Judging by your non-answer I am going to assume that the comment came directly out of your butt. And your response here just makes my case for me. You list two failures that are also included in the division. So do you actually know how much of that profit is due to the Xbox, how much of it is due to other devices, and hell, whether or not the Xbox profit could have even been double or triple what the whole division profited? No, you don't know that. Just admit you're full of crap and move on, quit digging the hole. I don't think you even knew there was no actual "Xbox division" before we corrected you.

2. Whether they broke even yet doesn't matter. A new product is a new product and the trend is pointing up. If they hadn't broken even yet and showed no signs of profit then that would be a valid point. But the 360 is making profits. I'm just going to drop the GCN stuff, you still aren't getting it.

3. No one said preorders tell the whole story. But your response is silly. You started by saying there are signs that the Xbone will sell less than 360. The only real sign we have right now is demand, and it was higher than the 360 demand at launch. That's as simple as I can make it.

The article you linked discusses all 3 manufacturers. Hope that helps. I am done though, have the last word and give me more laughs.

1. The fact that xbox is the only thing making profit for that division also means that the xbox brand itself has a bigger effect on the losses of that divison rather than their windows phone. Your pretty much damage controlling their losses even though we all know that xbox has the biggest effect and plus their losses just so happen to come from last generation to the start of this generation. How can they lose money from their smart phones if they haven't got any sizable profits from it ? 

@Bold Investors would say differently and plus your opinion doesn't matter if they are making net total losses to boot. 

3. So price doesn't matter ? Geez Then I guess they could sell that thing for a $1000 and see how that will do post launch window. LOL

BTW I'm only pointing a part of the article.