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fatslob-:O on 14 October 2013
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gergroy said:
fatslob-:O said:
gergroy said:

You know what is interesting about that graph that is somehow not sourced?  that the xbox division hasn't posted a loss in 5 years.  How is going from 5 years of loss to 5 years of profits not an upward trend?  Why would a company look a division that has sustainable profit and say, hey, lets cut this?  Sony lost even more over the same period, their losses are at around 5 billion.  Should Sony be looking to sell their gaming division?  Nintendo has lost money the last two years which is honestly worse than both microsoft and sony as they don't have any other divisions to support it.  Should nintendo be looking to sell out?  

Also, where do you get the x1 is looking like it will sell less than the 360?  It looks to easily outsell the 360 launch, Microsoft has even said the preorders are way ahead of the 360.  Also, the 360 launched TERRIBLY.   Microsoft certainly screwed up the reveal, but they have rebounded nicely.  With Nintendo screwing up their console, there is a big slice of marketshare out there up for grabs.  Sony will grab most of it I'm sure, but I have a hard time seeing microsoft doing worse than the 360 with the x1.  It looks like it will easily match if not better the 360 sales.  

http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years (Here you go.) 

It is an upward trend but at the same time that trend is likely to go away with the xbone.

@Bold If sony doesn't see any profits in the future then yeah they should sell their division and the same applies with nintendo too but this time that doesn't look likely since the PS most likely have the home console market under hold whereas nintendo will have the handheld market to sustain themselves. 

You do realize that a $500 price tag is a little excessive, right ? The xbone is not what'd I'd call a disruptive console like the wii was so no the xbone won't take wii market. 

ok, first of all they are using the loss leading approach like they have in the past, each x1 system will break even or be sold at a profit.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-09-05-xbox-one-will-be-break-even-or-profit-making-from-launch

so how does that make them look like they aren't going to be profitable.  We aren't talking revenue, we are talking profit aka the bottom line.  

@bold  So your personal opinion somehow translates into console sales?  360 wasn't a disruptive console and it still grew marketshare over the xbox.  The x1 preorder numbers are way above the 360's numbers.  It is a more established brand with established franchises.  It also will not stay at $500 forever.  The x1 will come with motion controls in the box, how is that not going to take some of the wii market?  Appeal to more casual gamers with kinect and media functions.  Honestly, it is probably the most disruptive of the three, but I agree it will not outsell the ps4.  But all the evidence out there now suggests it will easily match if not outsell the 360.  If you believe otherwise than you are just deluding yourself.  

My opinion ? LOL Haha that was hilarious. my personal "opinion" just so happens to say that consumers didn't agree with the PS3's price (And that's in good economic times.) so what makes you think that the xbone will sell better in the current condition it's in ?  Just so y'know xbox growth was due to sony failing. 

@Bold That is your opinion and the market just so happens to disagree. 

Just how successful was the kinect for the xbox 360 ? (Hint: It's game to hardware attach ratio was horrible.) How can it appeal to casual consumers when there's a $500 price tag ? You can not be disruptive with just hardware but to be successful the kinect 2 will need software in order to make it a worthwhile peripheral and microsoft didn't deliver on the first kinect. If I'm deluding myself then you must be under insanity because this gen is expected to retract not expand. ;P (The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. BTW the xbone looks like an HD triplet not a successor to the wii.)