JESUS WAS A GOVERNMENT PLOT: Confirmed says Joseph Atwill

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dsgrue3 said:

Mmmfishtacos said:
I'm not a religious man, but I do know the Jesus existed. Has anyone here been to Isreal? I have, I walked most of the path that Jesus would have walked charring the cross. There's a part in the old city where it's said he stumbled and reached his hand out and touched the wall to regain his balance. In that very spot on the wall is a near perfect outline of a hand eroded in the wall. I knew nothing about it till I passed and seen a group of people surrounding the area lead by a guide. As I approached the wall to see what the fuss was about I felt a surge of "power" ( really the only way I can describe it) rush over my body, and I felt "awake" like I've never been before in my life. It was probably the single strangest thing to ever happen to me in my life. Then I listened to the guild explain the story to the group of people she was leading. I still don't go to church, is still don't pray or look to sky's for some being to help me throughout my life. But I know Jesus was real. And I don't think you'll find a single Israeli the will deny his existence. They will only deny that he was the son of god. But he was a real person.

You know more than scholars/historian/academics then. They simply conclude there proponderance of evidence is enough to suggest he existed. Those nutbags telling you that Jesus walked here and there are just propagating total bullshit to your face while you suck it up. 

I will never understand why a personal experience so simple as this is compelling to some individuals who don't want to provide naturalistic explanations for what occurred and instead decide to abandon their rationality and substitute mysticism.

Then again, it's kind of like my writing a book about Xenu, WWIII occurring - destroying all records of people, and then concluding that Xenu is more likely to exist than not. It's a conclusion based upon very limited resources.

HeavenlyWarrior said:
I believe in the flood, but not the way the bible describes

The is evidence for a local flood, so perhaps you aren't far off. 

Most rivers flood, the city of Calgary flooded this year, local floods are not a particularily noteworthy pheomina (Edit: unless you happen to be in the way).  As and earth scientist i am qualified to say that the evidence presented for a biblical flood does not constitute credible evidence.  But lets walk through the math a little to illustrate the point:

A rough estimate of the water on earth 1,382,288,000 km^3  97.302% of which is already in the oceans  the vast majority remaining is in glaciers or ground water >98% of it, about 0.035% of the water on earth is in the atmosphere and has a mean residence time of about 2 weeks.

The size of the Earth is 510,072,000 km² and the highest point on earth is 8,848m above sea level.  meaning it would take aproximately (and this is a ballpark figure that does not acount for the undulating land masses because loading a global dem and running a full calc would take a long time) 4,488,072,000 km³ to innundate everything.  If you take every drop of water that is not already in the ocean you have 37,288,000 km³. You can't take the water from the oceans or lakes for that matter since you would just have to fill them up again, so you have about 72% of that or 26,847,000 km³ of water including polar glaciers.  That is 0.005%of what you would need.  Unless you are superheating the earth to hold more water it would take 13,241,940 years to happen through rain even if you could find the other 99.995% of the required water.

So despite the fact that if you accept religeous texts as historical evidence this may be considered historical 'fact' (people wrote about it after all).  It quite simply did not happen.  It is not remotely in the realm of possibility.  So yes, it is far off the mark.

Edit: I made a transpostitional error, groggy, it is now corrected.