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Kasz216 on 10 October 2013
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theprof00 said:
 

Look, I'm not pushing any specific facts. Sure I'm talking out of my ass a bit, but I don't need to be entirely accurate to make a point. If I wanted to stick to strong arguments only, I could say:
1. Well, the Christian Bible is put together mainly by the Romans.
2. Out of the Roman Empire came the papacy, which is arguably the most wealthy entity in the world. A counter-argument earlier was "why would Rome invent Christianity and then persecute them?" Well...why would Rome control the church when they persecuted their own people a hundred years earlier and killed their Messiah?
3. Nearly the entirety of Jesus life happened a dozen times with previous mythological and human Messiahs.
4. Most Christian/Catholic Holidays occur on previous pagan/Messianic holidays
5. The Catholic institution of saints closely resembles polytheism. Ask Catholics how many pray to Jesus or God. A survey was done a while back. Guess who was number one. Mary.

I don't need Atwill to say anything. I don't need any more proof.
Jesus the man hasn't even been proven to exist, much less Jesus the Messiah.
The only evidence that exists is some records, and those can be fabricated. We have no real evidence of existence. 

 


1.  I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here.   I mean, the Roman's put together the bible yes.... from prexisting sources that far predate the bible.   There are also a bunch of previous christian texts and sources that have sruvived today that weren't included.   Also, historical records predate christanity as existing before the bible.

2.    I'm not sure what the papacy's wealth has to do with anything related to your arguement.   Why did the romans adopt Christianity?   Because Constantine did.   Why did Constantine?  

Well first off, his mother was a Christian, and secondly, he viewed the Christian God as the one that led him to his successes.

3.  That's not really true.  Generally people who make those connections do so via very tenuous connections often outright fabricating or adding parts to seem more like Christianity.  See the hilarious farce of a  movie that is Zeitgeist.

 

4.  Right, because when Christiantiy moved to Greece and started converting outside of Judisasm they changed the holy holidays.    You can tell this happened AFTER Christianity was already established because the descriptions in the bible don't match with the dates.   The famous example being the fact that their is no way jesus could of been born in a barn in december, because they'd all freeze to death.

 

5.  Saints didn't exist until over 500 years after the fall of Roman empire.   The first saint was canonized in 993 AD.

 

 

come on prof, you are far smarter than this.