UNITY - Nintendo & Wii U Finish The REVOLUTION

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johnlucas said:

But at the end of 2009 here comes the landmark New Super Mario Bros. Wii & Nintendo returns to outer space!
December 2009 saw the greatest monthly console sales in videogame history as Nintendo sold over 3.8 million Wiis!
Wii OBLITERATES the previous 2.7 million record the PS2 made in December 2002 while its handheld companion DS bests its own record of all-time best monthly handheld sales with over 3.3 million sold!

No, Wii returns to outer space due to a price cut of 50 euros. New Super Mario Bros. Wii was just another game among many ones that sold dozens of millions worldwide.

 

 

johnlucas said:

No one could stop Nintendo with all the HD in the world.
It didn't matter that most of the 3rd party developers revolted & protested the Wii.
And trust me it really wasn't about Wii's horsepower why the 3rd party refused to put their best efforts on Wii.

Ultimately, it was. Once Wii was a less powerful console, most of hardcore titles couldn't be made on it...and, because of that, hardcore gamers didn't buy the Wii...which made the few hardcore titles to sell almost nothing...which then made the hardcore devs to avoid the Wii.

 

johnlucas said:

Then the inevitable effects of the Nintendo Revolution took place as Microsoft unveiled Kinect & Sony unveiled Move in 2010.
Suddenly the 360's Blades became Avatars (dashed from that board, eh?) & Kevin Butler did all he could to hardsell the marvel of motion control.
Now that the others finally caught up with the Future of Gaming, everyone was sure that Wii was cooked (especially with Nintendo taking another break that summer).

Nintendo wasn't cooked but it was losing momentum pretty badly...and it wasn't because of Kinect or Move. Motion was finally losing its temporary supremacy and the solid sales from the old school gaming were conquering the first places of the charts while Nintendo didn't have any more short-term ideas to continue the revolution as you say.

 

johnlucas said:

Following Sony's PS3 Slim example, Microsoft put a woman's waist on their console, fixed up the Red Rings, called it the XBox 360 S & soon premature headlines saying the 360 beat the Wii for the holidays AND ALL of 2010 were plastered EVERYWHERE in the press.
What did Nintendo do in response?
They simply painted the console red, packed in New Super Mario Bros. Wii extra, & had the SECOND greatest monthly home console sales in the 7th Generation with nearly 2.4 million Wiis sold!
Needless to say Wii beat the 360 that month...and that year ('but but the 360 beat 'em in revenue! revenue!' cried the sad backtrackers).

With a simple paint job Wii defeated the HD Twins yet again & continued to epitomize The Little Engine That Could.

 

It wasn't just a simple paint job. In that year, Wii had several new bundles and suffered small price drops without damaging the "200 euros to get a Wii". Yet, YoY sales continue to drop during the entire year, while PS3 and X360 were selling like never before. This was the HD turn around. 2011, 2012 and 2013 were just a continuation of this.

 

 

johnlucas said:

2011 should have been the year Nintendo pushed the Wii harder than ever before to break the 3rd party's obstinance.
Instead...they quit. They just quit. They stop striking. They stop fighting The Revolution.

Then Zelda: Skyward Sword is nothing for you? 2011 was just another year. Nintendo was never able to launch as many titles as 3rd parties anyway.

 

 

johnlucas said:

Apple & the rest of the smartphone/tablet gang absorb & replicate what Nintendo did on DS & Wii throwing Nintendo off their game in the process.

I don't think so. Nintendo has been copying Apple, not the other way around.

 

 

johnlucas said:

Nintendo abruptly puts out the 3DS to answer Apple, Samsung, & the gang & the whole affair seems to take their eye off Wii (and really what's with that lame "Family Edition" Wii crap anyhow?).

Abruptly? How? 3DS followed a normal DS life-cycle. 3DS was announced in 2009, an year and a half before its release. There's nothing abrupt on that.

 

johnlucas said:

Wii was intended to be Everybody's Console. Wii U is aimed to be for the so-called "Hardcore".

If that's so, then why is the Wii U less than 1 generation ahead of the Wii? If Wii is on a kind of 6.5th generation, Wii U is on the 7th generation along with the PS3 and X360. Hardcore today, casual tomorrow...once PS4 and XB1 (consoles that really belong to the 8th generation) Wii U isn't for hardcore anymore. The few developers that tried the system are already realizing that looking at the miserable sales of their hardcore titles on the Wii U, while the others won't even touch it.

 

 

johnlucas said:

So why did the 3rd party sabotage the Nintendo Revolution?
Because of one of my favorite sayings: 1st party + 2nd party + 3rd party = Nintendo's party.
If the 3rd parties ever got square behind Nintendo with support, they lose their political leverage in the business.
Microsoft's & Sony's platforms are the vehicles for their political leverage & with the XBox One you got a taste of things to come should they run this industry outright.

Sorry, I couldn't get you here. What are you trying to say? In my opinion, 3rd party devs didn't sabotage the Wii. It's just that you can't run a game like GTA IV (with so many objects, AI units, complexity and freedom at the same time) in a so low powered system as the Wii is...unless you use graphics and game engines from the 5th generation. And the same happens with Assassin's Creed, Batman, The Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Tom Clancy's games, Bioshock, Fallout, etc. Were you willing to play any of those games with graphics and physics similar to Crash Bandicoot? Of course not.

 

 

johnlucas said:

I said it before, I'll say it again. Nintendo is Dad. The 3rd Party are The Kids. In the NES days The Kids had to abide by Dad's Rules in Dad's House. And The Kids always chafed at Dad's Rules. They spent some time at next door neighbor Sega's house but even though Sega was a little more lenient than Pops, Sega had his rules too. But when they had a chance to hang out with Uncle Sony, The Kids fled Dad's House & only visited Dad on THEIR terms. Uncle Sony let them run the household anyway they wanted & they got used to calling the shots. Staying up late hours partying through the night. Binge drinking & other wild reckless behavior. FREEDOM!

I agree with your matephore. But I would rather see it as a good thing. In the end what matters are games, so game creators should have control of the industry, not console makers. Previously we had a dictatorship. Now we are in democracy and I understand if some devs eventually fear Nintendo to be dominant again and restore the dictatorship.

 

 

johnlucas said:

They aborted the Wii to continue The Revolution in the Wii U.

You know that's simply not true. But even if it was, that means they aborted it in 2009 to start Wii U significantly (lets hope in 2014 already). 5 years? That's way too much. In the middle having a declining Wii, which is doing around 12% of the yearly market share (with some weeks doing 4%) while they had more than 50% in 2008. Why such a pause? I tell you: there's no pause. They simply can't do better than this. They are doing their best like they've always did. Wii was a huge success at the beginning but a long-term failure considering the whole generation. And the Wii U isn't able to be strong not even in the beginning. Now Nintendo is scare, not the devs anymore.

 

 

johnlucas said:

This is not the era of the NES-to-SNES when the jump from 8-bit to 16-bit made you go "WOW!".
This is not the era of the SNES-to-N64 when the jump from 2D sprites to 3D polygons made you go "WOW!".
This is not the era of the N64-to-Gamecube when the 'smoothening' of the polygons made you go "YEAH!".

This is the era of the Game Cube to Wii where most of 3rd parties can't put their games running on the Nintendo's system and Wii fans have no choice but to catch star coins all the way and say "Yupiii!" :)

Now, seriously, graphics aren't the only outcome power can deliver. Physics, AI, number of objects, draw distance and many other aspects that affect gameplay they all rely on power.

 

 

johnlucas said:

Wii U WILL BE THE LEADER of the 8th Generation Consoles BY FAR. It will outsell the XBox One & PlayStation 4 HANDILY throughout the generation.
And should The Revolution go as planned, this will be the LAST CONSOLE WAR between Nintendo, Sony, & Microsoft.
Wii U obtains what was denied to Wii. Wii U at last becomes EVERYBODY'S CONSOLE. Oh & you want a number? Here's one for you: 12 million Wii U's sold by December 31, 2013.
Here's another: 35 million Wii U's sold by December 31, 2014.
Here's one more: 60 million Wii U's sold by December 31, 2015.
And one more for the road: 240 million LIFETIME Wii U sales.

I believe you're absolutely wrong. You naturally believe you're right. But we will all be here to see that. My prediction is that Wii U will do between 50M and 70M lifetime sales.