richardhutnik said:
One doesn't read johnlucas's flood of text, one survives it. This being said, I will end up having tocut down and answer each point. I will do that. But, johnlucas's arguments never come down to what Nintendo is doing now that shows they have what the market wants on the console front, but rather tear down the competition and presume they will survive than the world will have no choice but bow to Nintendo. On the mertis of wht Nintendo will have what people wants, the answer is silent. One can't answer this, because Nintendo is rehasing old IPs that are getting long in the tooth. Survivor bias is NOT how you argue that something in the future will come out on top. Onto the points: 1. Android is Linux based. Linux is the top OS at this point, and growing larger and larger, and building up a pretty huge base of coders. 2. If you don't understand how Google makes its money from Android, then there is little hope for you. And you apparently don't have a clue as to how Steam works. The level of ignorance is pretty astonishing here. 3. Steam has LOTS of games for it. It is the TOP distribution channel for PC software. Steam is going to push that SteamOS versions be done. But, the distribution channel is there. 4. if you fail to see Valve as a top player, then there is really nothing we have to discuss here. Your repeated ignoring of reality makes things impossible to discuss. In this context here, "videogames" also refers to the computer games industry. All it is now lumped under "videogames". PC sales show up on here, for a reason. 5. If you fail to be able to grasp the IP's Valve owns personally: Half-Life, Counterstrike, Portal, Team Fortress, Left 4 Dead, Day of Defeat, and DOTA 2, then we really seriously have nothing else to talk about. Seriously here, we don't. The level you are clowing here is proving to be a big waste of time. And I am seriously looking to leave VGChartz and get myself permabanned. Individuals such as yourself, with your lack of respect where it is needed, and sheer unadulterated ignorance, are not things I have time for. You can feel free to clown around here, but I am not. I am getting sickened by all this, seriously sickened. Well, time I sleep on this. I am probably going to request a permaban early in the coming week. |
Before you go, Richard. Here's a parting rebuttal.
1. Having Linux means jack in the world of consoles. So what? This is not the PC world. This is the console world. This is where Valve wants to compete.
And Valve having Linux doesn't give them some magical advantage when EVERY console has customized OS's INCLUDING Linux-based systems.
2. How Google makes money from Android? Look at what I found.
Why Google isn't worried about Android revenue
Excerpt:
For some reason, the Guardian (a partial investor in GigaOM, mind you) ran a story last Thursday purporting to have discovered how much revenue Google has earned from Android since its launch in 2008: $550 million. It derived that number from documents filed as part of Google’s legal battle with Oracle over Oracle’s claim that Android infringes patents related to Java, taking Google’s proposed royalty payments to Oracle should it lose the case as a baseline. Google declined to comment on the numbers and Danny Sullivan at Marketing Land quickly challenged the reasoning behind the Guardian’s figures, but he admitted there’s no way to know for sure when Google refuses to provide its own numbers.
If that number is true, then that's chump change. The article was written on April 1, 2012 & Android came out on September 23, 2008.
3 1/2 years & that's ALL the money Android made for Google???
And we're just talking revenue not profits which is the most important.
Google's a giant no doubt & the small money won't matter to them.
But don't use Android as some invincible force that Nintendo can't handle.
They're about to be done with one or two giants this generation. They can handle another. Google's not a game company.
Valve's secrecy about Steam is fine since they're a private company but Google's public & they won't talk about what this platform is bringing in.
But back to Steam if they had the big bucks from Steam like you say they wouldn't enlist outside partners to put the Steam Machines together for them.
They would finance the building of the machines all by themselves.
Steam's vaunted financial success could be more smoke & mirrors, more vapors than you think.
And they SHO'NUFF finna take a hit trying to mix it up in this console business.
Gabe better not get in too deep. He might not come out.
3. This is the console world not the PC world. Remember that.
The PC games market makes MUCH less money than the console games market.
If he makes the Steam Machines all-digital he runs the risk of ending up like the PSPgo.
Apple could play that route with their iTunes store because people initially came for the music. Steam is only hot to the PC guys mainly.
How is Valve gonna compel the uninitiated to Steam's library of games?
They have to buy the console first but what if doesn't get through the retail channels?
Can't get that green if you can't be seen.
There's a market cap on viable competitors & we're currently at our breaking point with 3.
The way Valve is ushering in this set of systems is not looking good & I'm not the only one saying it.
My cousin who has morphed from a console gamer to a full-fledged PC gamer over the years (just sold his PS3 to my shock & surprise) is not impressed at all with the Steam Machine. Talked to him today about it as a matter of fact. He talks about the difficulty in certain PC games not being available on Steam & not having ability to play PC game discs which discourages adoption. So Valve BETTER push for SteamOS versions to be done.
I have been reading the feedback in the stories posted about the Steam Machine unveiling & many talk about most games being built off the Windows platform not the Linux platform & the conflict that would create.
Some talk about the unnecessariness of the Steam Machine when people can already hook an HDMI cable to their TVs now & play Steam.
A person on this thread even talked about wireless HDMI eliminating the problem altogether!
Still at the end of the day what is this appeal of Steam's games to the larger audience? This is not the PC game world anymore. You have to have a broader appeal in the world of consoles. Valve would have been better off just leaving it as a Steam Client for the smartphones & tablets like they already got. That would have been his best bet.
4. You think Valve by itself can hold that console together in the face of all that competition??? COME ON!
They ain't Nintendo, brother.
Their games don't have that power to go it alone. In the barren PC world, yeah, they can hang. But now you're fighting Nintendo & the lesser but still mighty challengers Sony & Microsoft.
Is Valve coming here to be a bit player or a REAL player? If they're coming here to be a real player, they're gonna need some heavy guns.
Don't get fooled into thinking indies can hold a system together by itself. Don't get fooled into think Valve's titles can hold a system together by itself.
In the PC world where competition is sparse, yeah, have at it. But now you're in the console world & the playing field is much more brutal.
You think the 3rd parties are willing to undercut themselves by pricing their games lower on Valve's console in comparison to the margins they receive from Sony & Microsoft's platforms?
It was one thing when Steam pretty much stayed on PCs & it was an extra revenue stream but now the Steam Machine can threaten their consoles.
NEC/Husdon Soft's TurboGrafx-16 got starved from major 3rd party support & couldn't survive the onslaught of the Sega Genesis & Super Nintendo Entertainment System in its day.
No console maker has proven to survive without major 3rd party support except the titan Nintendo.
Valve's gonna need more than itself & the indies to make it in the console world & you can take that to the bank.
5. I have already broken down the financial viability of games like Dota 2 with Pemalite in this post.
They don't have enough selling power to hold a console together. Sorry.
Using VGChartz's Game Database I see that the original Half-Life sold 4.12 million on the PC. I double-checked this figure with Wikipedia & they say by 2008 the game had sold 9.3 million at retail. Not a bad number at all.
The game came out on November 19, 1998 on the PC so that's 10 years of sales to 2008.
You know what 2006's New Super Mario Bros. sold in 7 years? 29.27 million. Over 3 times as much in about 2/3 the time.
No, I'll use a better closer-in-comparison example.
You know what 2004's Super Mario 64 DS sold in 9 years? 10.03 million. A million more in a year less.
Both of these games are STILL full price on the shelves nearly a decade later & they STILL sell. They STILL sell at price points of $34.99 bringing constant revenue to Nintendo.
VGChartz's numbers for Half-Life 2 look off with its 2.36 million on PC figure so I went to Wikipedia again. Said the game sold 12 million by 2011.
Very Impressive. 
But Nintendo regularly sells 10 million sellers in its mega-powered catalog. Handheld games alone can match up to & embarrass anything Valve puts out.
Home console games regularly hit those high marks too. Nintendo has TEAMS of mega-selling monsters.
So Valve is already facing this from Nintendo alone & then wants to battle it out with Microsoft & Sony on top of this???
Half-Life 3 would be a boon since so many people are waiting for it but you're gonna need more than that to survive the console battlefield.
So if I'm your clown then call me Homey the Clown 'cause Homey don't play that. *sock smack*
Like Seece, you will have to see the aftermath in time. So you just watch & see who read it right & who read it wrong.
And if you want to return to discuss this aftermath, you are welcome with open arms.
I look forward to the resolution as time reveals all.
Take care, Richard. it's been fun.
John Lucas
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