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richardhutnik on 24 September 2013
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nuckles87 said:
Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
thranx said:
I have lived with out healthcare for 15 years now and i haven't had any issues. Never been turned away by a doctor, i am still in good health, I have had all my dental work done. Doesn't seem to be a neccessity for me. I know I can't live with out food, shelter, and water for that long.

My story is, before I was on Medicaid, I was getting free healthcare at a clinic.  I needed surgery on my back.  They were unable to pay for the anastesia. I was about to get Medicaid and then get the surgery paid for.  Without the surgery, I would of been laid up like a cripple for life, unable to work and in pain.  But, because of the delays in getting the surgery done, I likely have permanent nerve damage to my foot (I have numb spot there).  So, I can see you getting basics, but not sure how you would go about getting surgery, if you needed it, following what you follow.


Not sure how that'd be different in universal healthcare.  With delays being one of the big negatives of it.

Difference is that I got the surgery.  My being on Medicaid is like universal healthcare, and it means I get regular visits to doctors and so on.


My point was, chances are your surgery would of been delayed anyway.


I think his point is that without medicaid, he would NEVER have gotten the surgery at all, and would have been crippled for life. So I think he's still grateful for the socialized medicine, given the alternative.

Pretty much here.  thranx was talking about how he made by with charity.  I did that route and ended up in a place where i wasn't able to get anastesia covered so I wouldn't of ever go the surgery.  On here, I believe I made mentioned i was laid up to, and no one stepped forward really to help.  I accept what is a reality to me, and question counterpoints.  Sure, I would love to have charity step in, but I find it really doesn't happen.  I actually have gotten far more help, as limited as it is, from the government than charities.  I have a local church that has come in second, but it is limited.

If anyone sees how this charity thing works, please let me know.  I honestly could use a LOT of help here.  Without seeing anyone step forward, all I see is people who would fall into the gaps.  Some would end up arguing, "Well if I got tax breaks I would give more!"  I wonder how many of these individuals tithe.  If you aren't given now, say a tithe, you certainly won't if you get more money.  It works that way.  What will usually happen is individual rationalize the poor and those in need are lazy bums anyhow, and really, really, don't deserve help, because they brought it on themselves.  Examples of this reasoning are seen here, pointed at my situation, why welfare sucks, and almost no one deserves it:

http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2010/03/this-is-why-welfare-sucks/

See, I am just a shiftless and lazy person who just didn't want to work, and didn't have enough gumption.  The same people who argue this, seldom give much to charity, because they just don't feel people are worth it.  It is like the guy who bummed off money for me when I was in NYC to get to Long Island with his family, and says he isn't like the homeless folks.  I should of just said no and told him if maybe he had more compassion for the homeless, maybe he could get help.  But nope, I did give him a $10 and took $5 from him.