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Kasz216 said:
snyps said:


What's up with the replying in quotes? That's so annoying.

 

Outside of which....

 

1) Hording Billions of dollars.   Billions sounds like a lot I know... but it really isn't. 

I mean what, do you NOT want healthcare companies to keep money in reserve to make sure they don't go bankrupt? 

The article you are talking about is complaining about insurance companies having a surplus greater then state miniums.

Boy it sure would of been great if Banks had kept surplus' greater than what was legally required back when credit default swaps were skyrocketing right?


Sort of like going into a situation where the baby boomers are entering the age where they need the most health insurance, at the same time health insurance costs are rising?

No... it's far better to be at the state minium required levels and if you just go out of buisness because healthcare costs skyrocket, all those people will just be out of luck.

As for private insurance companies....

http://biz.yahoo.com/p/sum_qpmd.html

Health Insurance has a net proft margin of about 9%.   Which isn't exactly setting the charts on fire... and coincidentally is  a lot higher then the 4-5% it was at before Obamacare was passed.

 

2)   Your joking right?  So your point is, you don't want to pay for the cost of doing buisness?   That's like saying I want to buy a hamburger at Burger King but not pay for the oven that cooks it or the time spent training the workers.   That equipment and training is part of the cost of a product is common sense.  Without the training, equipment etc.  The buisness couldn't exist.   

 

3)  I'm not sure what your talking about.  Health insurance doesn't get more expensive as you use it.   It's not car insurance.   Everyone in the same age group pays the same rate for health insurance minus a few factors like smoking.  I can use my healthcare a dozen times, you could use it never.  We'd pay the same rate.  

 

4)  Only because healthcare statistics are mired by a ton of different confounding variablse like culture, crime, accidental deaths.

The US actually tends to perform worse on large scales... though mostly due to stuff like are ridiculiously large prison population, high stress culture, accidents/sucides and crime and obesity rates.

As fun a chart now as it was when the data was released...

(Note some countries decrease in life expectancy on the right because it's standarded not just removing fatal injuries.  The actual results aren't quite as neat, but this does illustrate the point failry well.)

 

If a Machine works    .5% better though.  For every 2000 people, it's saving 1.  Minor gains?  Sure.  Given the choie though... i'd rather have the best possible chance.

 

5) I never said that it was.  Simply that Healthcare costs are generally always going to rise, at least as long as we find new ways to save peoples lives.  This will be biggest in the US, because we focus the most on innovation?  Is it fair we're paying so much more for an increase in medical technology?

No, but i'd rather medical technology keep being refined.   In a perfect world, Europe would abandon their system to be like ours, and we could have medical advancmenets 2,3 maybe even 4 times as fast.

 

As it stands though, the US government even spends more per captia than other countries do towards healthcare research.  Why?  Because for them it's counter productive.  Every advancment they find only increases their bill, and the benefits they create are ones people didn't know where possible...

so they don't miss them.

I'm curious as to what your answer would be, however. Our system gets better results at an excruciating, financial-life-destroying cost in many cases. How do you patch the holes (the inability of the already sick to get insurance, companies' abilities to drop big loser clients from insurance plans, and the occasional unfortunate uninsured who suddenly find themselves in a bad situation) and lower costs in general without forcing down innovation?



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