UNITY - Nintendo & Wii U Finish The REVOLUTION

[johnlucas]

More richardhutnik.

God these guys are relentless!
Here we go. Let's see if I can keep it as short as I can.

richardhutnik said:

Yes, you are right here.  The PS3 and 360 will keep outselling the Wii U, because they have much larger libraries, are cheaper, and you really can't tell the difference between the WiiU and current gen stuff anyhow.  Power doesn't matter at all.  Hey, you are right!  Or, hey, do you want to argue power matters, JUST ENOUGH, so that the Wii U has a reason for people to buy it.

No. Power isn't a selling feature anymore & Wii U doesn't sell itself on the power of the system.
THAT'S the difference.
They're selling you a new playing experience not a more powerful playing experience.
Your mocking statements will actually factor in for the PS4 & the One.
Since these guys aren't really giving you much more than what you experienced with the PS3 & 360, they'll run into competition with their older cheaper predecessors.

Both Sony & Microsoft are sort of at a loss in how to promote their console after the revolution Wii started.
You got Microsoft talking about TV & sports & you get the sense that they want to promote power but are gunshy about it due to what happened in the 7th gen.
You got Sony hoping for any break & trying to get brownie points on Microsoft's mistakes.
They seem to want to say power power power too but they too are gunshy about it due to the 7th gen's outcome.
And this time they don't have a new media format to push like they had for each PlayStation in the past (much like Vita didn't) so what do they say?

Hardware refinements are a given. You always try to tweak performance & get it better & more efficient.
But Power is NO LONGER a selling feature. NO LONGER A SELLING FEATURE.
Wii made sure of that.

"The time when horsepower alone made an important difference is over," says the brilliant Satoru Iwata at E3 2004.
I said this quote a million times in this thread & I'll say it a million more. Let it sink in before you get the urge to talk about power arguments.

richardhutnik said:

If johnlucas were predicting sales of Nintendo's next home console after this upcoming generation and after the Wii U, no way would I even get near that.  There is WAY too much not known.  I personally hate getting into the predicing game, because too much weird stuff can happen that makes everyone look bad.  I can now see a scenario happening when the 3DS and WiiU come together in a single tablet, due to the 2DS coming out.  This would be an integrated system for home and portable that I have no idea how well it would do, particularly if it goes all digital download.  I now see this happening.  I did not see it before the 2DS.  Nintendo has been telegraphing what its future moves might be, based on what they do at a given time.  The DS telegraphed the Wii U, for example.

What I saw from johnlucas is predictions of an upcoming crash, presumptions Nintendo escapes unharmed, and Nintendo being the ONLY option for gamers, so third party MUST return to Nintendo, and they will be humbled and forced to bow to Nintendo's wishes, because they won't have other options.  Assuming you take out Microsoft and Sony, you still have PC and Android.  Apple could also decide to enter the market also.  SOMEONE will enter if Microsoft and Sony drop out, so no way Nintendo gets the market alone,  Thus the 240 million lifetime isn't happening for the WiiU.

I'm just gonna reference what I put in bold here.

My argument is that what is currently now known as the "PS360", the unofficially combined platform the 3rd party uses to make its sales will not continue to exist in the 8th generation.
They will not be able to count on the 8th gen version the "PX4One" to pad their sales & recoup the costs of their multi-million dollar/billion dollar game budgets.
One of those guys is going to drop out, maybe Sony, maybe Microsoft, but one of those guys won't be able to continue this fight or at the very least refuse to continue the fight under pressure from stockholders.

You think the 3rd party has refuge in the PC market & that is LAUGHABLE.
The PC market is gone except for a few holdouts like I said so many times before Blizzard, Maxis, & Valve.
And only Blizzard remains ENTIRELY in the PC market to sell its games. Maxis throws stuff to consoles (can't help it being a subsidiary of EA).
And even Valve puts out Portal 2 for the XBox 360 & PlayStation 3.
Valve is so unconfident in the PC market that they are somehow trying to create a console everybody calls the Steam Box!
You already GOT a Steam Box! It's called the PC! Hahahahahahahaha!

Yeah the few that remain maximize their potential & make revenues up to $20 billion. But a lot of that $20 billion is run by Blizzard.
World of Warcraft is a lifestyle not so much a game anymore.
And before you mention China, the most populated country in the world, I got this article for you. Just read the headline alone.
PC Gaming Hits $20 Billion in 2012, Has One-Billion Gamers Worldwide

20 Billion dollars. 1 Billion people. That's a lot of people. That's a lot of money.

Now check these links out.
Nintendo: net revenue 2008-2012
Nintendo's Fiscal Year Earnings - 2007 (ending March 31, 2008) (skip to page 3 & 4)
Nintendo's Fiscal Year Earnings - 2008 (ending March 31, 2009) (skip to page 3)

Now keep in mind that the first link I put is counting for 2008 when it is for Nintendo's Fiscal 2007 (ending March 2008) & counting for 2009 when it is for Nintendo's Fiscal 2008 (ending March 2009).
It took me awhile to figure that out since their numbers weren't matching Nintendo's fiscal sheets if you counted how they presented it.

In Fiscal 2007, Nintendo made revenues equivalent to over $16.7 billion.
Life-to-date unit sales of their DS's were at that time 70.6 million. Life-to-date unit sales of their Wiis were at that time 24.45 million.
In Fiscal 2008, Nintendo made revenues equivalent to over $18.7 billion.
Life-to date unit sales of their DS's were at the time 101.78 million. Life-to date unit sales of their Wiis were at the time 50.39 million.

So for Fiscal 2007, one company alone—Nintendo—made nearly $17 Billion with a combined userbase of 95.05 million (70.6 + 24.45).
So for Fiscal 2008, one company alone—Nintendo—made nearly $19 Billion with a combined userbase of 152.17 million (101.78 + 50.39).
17 Billion dollars with 95 Million people. 19 Billion dollars with 152 Million people.

So Nintendo ALONE made about the same amount of revenue as THE ENTIRE PC gameworld COMBINED...
...and did it with only 1/10 of the people the PC world used. One-tenth. 10% to make the same amount of revenues.
It took a BILLION for ALL the PC guys COMBINED to see 20 Billion. It took a HUNDRED MILLION for Nintendo BY ITSELF to see 20 Billion.
And Nintendo didn't even need China to do it!

The PC is in every industrialized & semi-industrialized nation on Earth.
Consoles are mostly concentrated in Japan, the Americas (mostly North), Europe, Australia & various scattered parts of the world.
WAY more PCs are sold than consoles. Yet consoles have this push in the gaming world that PC's just can't match.
And who governs the console world? The House of Mario, Nintendo.

That $20 Billion/1 Billion people article LOOKS good but when the facts are laid out like I just did here, you see quite clearly why the game developers go to the consoles to make money.
Including Maxis owner EA. Electronic Arts started as a computer game developer.
There's a reason why The PC Gaming Alliance formed & there's a reason why they're trying hard to promote the PC as a viable place for gaming business.
It's because the consoles (ultimately meaning Nintendo at the root) wrecked their world decades ago.
They're trying their best to salvage this wasteland. Maybe they'll turn it back into a grassland at least.
Perhaps start a little garden even. That's what they hope anyway.

And I told you many times on this thread not to get too gung ho about Android working through the new PC, the smartphones & tablets.
If the 3rd party saw any REAL opportunity over there to make bucks, they would have left both Sony AND Microsoft out to dry & moved everything over to the tablets great & small. 3rd party are mercenaries, they don't care. They don't have long-lasting loyalties.
They're just dabbling right now because they ultimately don't trust this market.
They'll play in the waters for a while but when the piss starts to contaminate the pool, they're jumping right out of the waters & toweling off on the way to the console car.

By the way, Apple is already IN the market. That's what the backdoor strategy of the iPod Touch & iPhone was all about.
They're a part of the smartphone gang I mentioned in this thread. The leading member in fact. They opened the door for Google's Android.

And "SOMEONE" will enter the market if Microsoft and/or Sony drop out. Who?
Microsoft & Sony are among the BIGGEST companies IN THE WORLD. It doesn't get much bigger than these guys.
If THEY can't handle a little playing card/toy/game company from Kyoto, who in the hell can?
Who in the hell would want to? The videogame business is rough!

We have already seen electronics companies involved with this videogame thing: Magnavox, Tandy [Radio Shack], RCA, APF, Emerson, Casio, Daewoo, Amstrad, Sony, Phillips, Watara, Pioneer, Matsushita/Panasonic, Tiger Telematics, Apex Digital.
Toy companies involved: Milton Bradley, Coleco, Mattel, Bandai, Epoch, Entex, Worlds of Wonder, Tiger Electronics, TecToy.
Arcade/computer game makers involved: Atari, Bally/Midway, Sega, RDI Video Systems, Hudson Soft, SNK, Bit, 3DO. Game Park, Valve.
Game peripheral makers involved: MadCatz, Razer.
Semiconductor companies involved: Fairchild, UMC, Qualcomm, Sony, VM Labs.
Computer/information technology companies involved: NEC, Commodore, Fujitsu, Altera, Apple, Microsoft, Nokia, NVidia.
Cloud software/network companies involved: Google, Valve, Onlive, Gaikai, OTOY, Playcast, PlayJam, BlueStacks.
And a host of random startups involved from Tapwave to Infinium Labs/Phantom Entertainment to Ouya trying to make it big.

You see all that & you think somebody would be worthy to challenge Nintendo?
Some of those companies I mentioned are well-known while others are more obscure but it shows that both BEFORE Nintendo & AFTER Nintendo none of those companies ever could or would keep this business intact.

Nintendo's about to finish off these mega-sized giants Sony & Microsoft in the videogame realm.
I would LOVE to see the next challenger. Who would it be?
Guess we'll have to settle for this mobile market in the meantime.
Nintendo will be helping to wreck that market soon if the mobile guys don't do it to themselves first, that is.

Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. The 3rd party has to deal with Nintendo sooner or later & they'll have to do it on Nintendo's terms.
John Lucas

P.S.: So much for briefness!