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-CraZed- on 13 September 2013
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Vetteman94 said:
-CraZed- said:
Vetteman94 said:

Debating the color of the case wouldnt be possible as that information is already readily available, debating technical specifications that you dont understand is the issue here.  And that is a problem and yes someone who has technical knowledge on the situation should come in and tell people to shut up about it because they only make themselves look like fools.  Hence the ridiculously long thread this is with how you say "armchair engineers"?

I think you are in the wrong thread,  this is not about Penello, but a guy on the Forza development team.  He has made no reference to specs or anything or the PS4. I think you were looking to start something, like alot of other people, but it looks like you are both lost and confused.  And should probably heed the advice of the Forza dev and leave the technical talk to the people who know what they are talking about.

The point is he has no more 'knowledge' of the PS4 system architecture as anyone else outside Sony. And even if he did so what if folks want to debate what system is more powerful or has better hardware specs or looks better or has better exclusive games etc. etc. He has no authority to tell people to STFU just because he is a developer.

I certainly am trying to start something... a friendly debate. I see however from your disparaging remarks why you support Dan Greenwalt's position, you don't like others discussing things you think you are more informed about, perhaps? Maybe he is or you are, but that doesn't give you some type of authority to shut down debate. People want to talk about it let them. As I said before, basically calling people idiots to somehow bolster your position or in this case the console you develop for only serves to alienate potential buyers.

As an aside I did get mixed up a bit as I was reading the ENTIRE thread and Mr. Ponello's name has come up in the thread. Regardless, the point applies to both of these guys as they both have said some things that opened the door for more scrutiny of their remarks. ANd thank you, for the last bit of advise, although I never referenced any technical specs of either system outside quoting Mr. Ponello. Maybe I am not the only one confused here.

There is no point because he never makes that assumption that he does know the PS4 architecture.  And if people want to argue what games look better or what system will be more powerful before the technical specifications are released is one thing.   But to use the specifications that have been released to come to your own conclusions without the proper knowledge on the subject is just plain ignorance.   And its being done in this and many other threads.

And you can try and start a friendly debate all you want,  but there is no debate to be had.  #1:You can't debate facts, technical specification and their outputs are facts.  There is no debating that,  you can only debate opinions.   And there is no opinion to be had with technical specifications. And spreading misinformation does more to harm your potential buyers than what you claim they are doing.   #2:Do you really think people outside of video game forums hear about this?  No, and the majority of the people he is calling idiots and telling them to STFU, aren't going to buy their system anyway,  and the ones who will buy their system agree that people shouldn't talk about shit they don't understand.  

#3:What Penello has said can not be used to scrutinize what this guy said, if you want to scrutinize what he Penello said then go find that thread and bitch to your hearts content.   But this guy has said nothing wrong,  and in fact I appluad him to stand up and tell people to shut up about shit they don't understand.  And no you arent the only one confused here,  everyone else that had a similar agenda to you is included in that as well.  BTW, saying that you never brought up technical specs, except from the one time that I did bring up technical specs, isn't a very good denial. If it happened one time,  you can't say you never did it.

#1 - What a silly statement. Each of these systems have specs that are debated all the time. So because the PS4 has more Shaders and ROPs and a dedicated GPU bus interface does that make it better or more powerful? Or, because the XB1 has lower latency DDR3 which helps with better or faster raytracing and procedural generation make it better or more powerful? Both of those specs are factual statements yet they are indeed debatable when we ar discussing which system is more powerful. Not to mention all the debates going over the actual archtiecture tweaks done by both SOny and MS and the claims of having extra 'secret sauce' etc. etc.

#2 - Then what is the point of him even bothering to say anything? Again kind of a silly argument don't you think?

#3 - Sigh... I never said there was anything "wrong" with him saying anything I said it is pointless to do and does nothing to help him or MS or the XB1 console's reception by the gaming community. You applaud him great, I don't I think he is attempting to head off talk about the consoles differences out of an inherent lack of confidence in the system he develops for. Yeah there is confusion abound mostly due to the lack of transparency of BOTH MS and SOny regarding the specifics regarding the hardware involved but that does not mean people can't discuss them. Also, I don't have to deny anything as my postings in this thread speak for themselves. My agenda is/was to talk about exactly what I posted but you are free to infer what you wish. Lastly, you sir seem to be doing the 'bitching' and I understand if you are not into debating on a friendly basis. I will then make this my last attempt at addressing your response to my initial posting. You are more than free to respond in kind though :)