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Fayceless on 09 September 2013
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aikohualda said:
Fayceless said:
aikohualda said:
stupid... yeah let's pay $15 for high schoolers.... that would make them want to finish college....


Not all fast food workers are in high school.  MOST fast food workers are NOT in high school.  Minimum wage is where people try to raise families, because they have no other choice.  And you know what happens? THE GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZES THEM.  YOU pay for their food, their housing, through TAXES!  WE ALL pay for McDonald's CEO's to rake in the cash off their minumum wage workers because they don't have to give them decent wages.

Even if they were high school students, your argument still fails miserably.  Just 2 or 3 decades ago students would work through summer to pay for college.  That isn't even remotely possible any more.  Entry level jobs used to pay enough for a person to live without government assistance, even right out of high school.  People still went to school!

And even those who do go to college and get an education get this: No guarantee of a decent job, and lots of debt.

People who want full time work settle for multiple part-time jobs and those who want part time jobs get left out because they lack experience.

This economy is seriously f'd up, at it's core.  And I certainly blame the conservatives and their inconcievably ridiculous "trickle-down" BS.  Everything keeps trickling UP.  Can't you see that?

so you agree 0n a 15$ minimum???? you think that is realistic??????? sorry but i dont think my argument fail miserably... because when i said high schoolers... i meant people from highschool or people with high school education....... but yeah sure my argument is such a failure.... now college graduates students will be a fliping burger since it is almost the same amount of money that they will earn fresh from college... best way to make the country a better place :) now lemme flip my burgers

Never said that.  It could be higher, but really the biggest problem is that we have too many minimum wage jobs compared to good jobs.  Also, $15/hr would NOT be better than any decent job with a degree.  Simple math shows that statement to be false - a full time job would only earn about 30k, most minimum wage workers can't get full time jobs anymore.


A few decades ago a smart, dedicated, hard working person could jump right from high school into a promising career.  Now you may end up with a minimum wage job even you have a good degree with good grades, you'll just have thousands of dollars in debt now.  What's "in demand" when a person enters college could be worthless by the time they graduate.  College is more risky than ever, with soaring tuition, lousy employment opportunities and a fickle market.  There are serious problems here.  A multitude of problems, minimum wage barely scratches the surface.