Major Nelson on X1 Power: "I can't wait for the truth to come out."

[Shinobi-san]

Machiavellian said:

Shinobi-san said:
30-50% is NOT a huge performance difference.

But you cant deny that that difference is real and that it does exist. Its as clear as fucking day.

MS can talk themselves blue in the face about how well there software does but at the end of the day that gap is there.

Whether or not this relates into anything tangible to the consumer is completely up to the devs.

Its clear on paper but if you are not coding against both platforms you really do not know exactly how much real world difference it is.  I am not sure if how MS designed the X1 that the memory advange will give Sony an edge.  What it does mean is that coding for the X1 compared to the PS4 will be different. GDDR has the latency so it will be interesting how that will be negated.  MS has a more complex memory setup but not all game code need that kind of bandwidth so more efficient code to use the ESRAM will be required but who knows it might all equal out in the end.  I am not sure if having more CUs will be a huge advantage over MS custom co-processors.  We might find that for gaming, MS offloading a lot of stuff to their co-processors frees up the GPU enough to maintain close performance with the PS4.  

On paper, the PS3 smoked the 360 but in reality it was a lot closer and both systems had strengths and weakness to pretty much balance out the games.  Right now the difference we see for the systems is in the GPU numbers which may or may not play as big a role as people are stating in the forums and the memory setups.

There is a lot going on in the X1 setup so making a definitive statement that one system is stronger than another probalby will no be clear until developers under NDAs start to give their opinion on programming on both systems.

Theres quite a big difference though in the GPU's...

Offloading a few tasks to co-processors wont offset that. The PS4 also has multiple co-processors (not as much it seems given the info we have) which it offloads audio processing and video compression etc.

I mean theres a reason why these systems have such weak CPU's. They are almost fully reliant on the GPU's. And when we do compare GPU's the Xbox One's falls short.

And also just remember when speaking about the memory....if GDDR5 memory was as cheap as DDR3, then MS would have gone with GDDR5 memory. No arguments about that. Thats why Sony made a big deal about it at their conference. That's why high end GPU's use GDDR5 ram...ESRAM is a workaround. A good workaround but its a workaround. I feel like people forget this. The latency difference is there, but given the context we talking about, this isnt really an issue.

And really the PS3/360 comparison is completely different. They have very differenct architectures, very different technologies etc. Now we actually have comparable systems and everybodies acting like we cant compare them like for like? Whatsup with that :?

And the whole NDA stuff...im not sure exactly what you refering to? The supposed dgpu? If you are talking about that then thats a completely difference case though. The way Alberts is talking though..it doesnt seem like Xbone will have the raw performance advantage.