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richardhutnik on 07 September 2013
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Play4Fun said:
richardhutnik said:
 

1. What you wrote there explains why there is now a clear lack of internally developed new IP that is must have.  Nintendo is recycling their old IP over and over again, and not doing no.  It is 2D/3D Mario, Mario Party, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., Zelda, and maybe Metroid.  There is also Donkey Kong Country.  But where is the new IP?  Where is the big new must have property Nintendo is coming out with?  That is the issue I am talking about here.  It just isn't there.  It isn't like there isn't new IP being produced.  There is Angry Birds, and also Minecraft.  And there are others.  They are NOT coming from Nintendo.  Nintendo is going outside their company to get new IP done, with the likes of the Wonderful 101.

2. On console lifespan, look at the Wii.  Because it is weak tech, it ended up having shorter life than the 360 or PS3.  Companies never really got around to doing much third-party on it either, outside of primarily shovelware.  The Wii U is in a similar boat.  Because it doesn't match the ONE or PS4 in power, companies are only doing Wii U stuff with development on the 360 and PS3.  

3. THIS generation isn't showing any.  The Wii had a new, accessible interface, and got some.  But new stuff?  Where is it?  What is the big new IP on the 3DS and Wii U that is new and must have, that is doing really, really well.  Nintendo isn't putting it out.  Let's Dance isn't their property at all, and is on other platforms.

Also note here, let's say you can read what I wrote as it NOT being a slam of Nintendo, but something else.  What you read it as is this: Where the new IP is coming from is NOT the console makers.  It is coming from small studios and Indie stuff.  It is on smart devices.  That is where the new stuff is popping up, NOT consoles.  This is bigger than just Nintendo.  Things have changed.


1. Why do you keep mentioning new IPs all the time? What's that got to do with Nintendo's longevity or the main topic of this thread? Anyways:

“ What makes it a new game is new gameplay and new interactions. So when we’re creating a game, we’re always looking at it from, ‘What is the gameplay, and how are we making that gameplay new?’ And then, ‘Who is the character that is best suited to that gameplay?’ Miyamoto.

Also, why did you ignore some of the new Nintendo IPs I listed so you can go on about a lack of internally developed new Ips? And why did you mention Let's Dance not being their IP? I never said said it was. How is W101 being externally developed somehow a bad thing? Externally developed first party games are a normal thing in this industry.

2. Wii had a normal console lifespan. It's Ps360 that had longer than normal lifecycles, and that was partly because they made so many losses earlier in the gen that they wanted to squeeze out every bit of profitability out of them. And how did we reach on the subject of 3rd party support now?

3. What does new IPs have to do with the success of 3DS or Wii U? I don't see where you're going with this or what it really has to do with the main topic. You're all over the place.

I never said this thread was a slam on Nintendo. You say new things  are only coming from indies and and small studios on smartphones? okay then, how many of those big new games can you name besides two, which is Minecraft and Angry Birds. Both of those came out last gen and console makers made many new IPs last gen. You are blowing this out of proportion.

1. New IP is CRITICAL to the longevity of a company.  End result is a company relying on new IP, ends up with a portfolio full of Tony Hawk and Guitar Heroes.   New IP means keeping up with new demands.  You control this, you remain on top.  You see Bushnell commenting what happened to Atari.  One can only milk old IP for so long.

2. Iwata expected longer than normal lifespan for the Wii: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/188207/wii-lifespan-will-last-over-four-years/

Reality is that the Wii started to tail off sooner than the plan, and Nintendo went with the Wii U, and had a one year window to get it out, and now it isn't doing well.

3. All over the place is happening, because various things are being discussed.  And now, what I speak of is the truth.  The big new IP, which is what is getting the interest and sales, is mainly in the smart device arena, and indies and small studios.  There is a few AAA on top, like Assassin's Creed.  But the other stuff that is sucking up the cash and attention are the likes of Angry Birds, Minecraft, and also things like Candy Crush.