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Vetteman94 said:
benao87 said:
Linkzmax said:
benao87 said:
So both linkz and nacho are at L-2

Benao:linkz
Nacho:linkz
radish:linkz
Linkz:nacho
astro:nacho
vette:nacho

noctis still haven't casted a vote, still wouldn't be enough to lynch the immediately.

I'm not liking this, I'd like to believe that we can lynch linkz and still win the game. With Nacho there is a scenario were we lose today. Not liking this at all.

You've given no such scenario where not lynching a scum me would result in a Town loss. I didn't even respond to your idea that a scum me indicates a scum Noctis since Astroe confirmes Noctis visited me, but who would be the third mafis in that case if it isn't trashleg, who's modkill would ruin the instawin?

The thing is that even with astro seeing noctis at your place, we don't really know if he is truly a motivator. He was cleared through you, so you may have that certitude, I don't. I'm think that you and nacho are definitely not on the same side, should you be mafia, you could be very well lie about noctis role, and making him a scum buddy, if vette is the third one, lynching nacho would mean that we lose the game. You are a very good player, one that if needed could hide his relationship with the other players through the day.

The thing is that I do believe that radish is town, and that we can allow to mislynch you, should you be town, as you town, would mean a noctis town, reducing the possibilites of 3 mafia players among the surviving (after mario modkills trashleg)

It's not about choosing you or nacho, it's about to find out how town could win, if your lynch allow us to know how the mafia are, well perfect. Should we lose after mislynching you, well huge bummer, because more than nacho I feel that I'm the one that's been pushing this alternative.

On the other hand, should you win as mafia after a hypothetically mislynching nacho, well, good, I did tried to discuss the scenario.

I know I could be mistaken, and I don't mind changing my position when somebody points a flaw in the logic behind my arguments. But, nacho is a skilled player, I reckon that should he wanted to come up with a fake claim he could've done that. Not saying he is not lying, just that he could be very well telling the truth. Although, being absent for two days, do ring an alarm, mostly if we take into account the stakes at this point of the game.

And if all that is lazy, well, so be it.

Vetteman94 said:

Why should I believe someone who lied about his role when there was no need for it?

Not saying that we should trust nacho, as you said earlier, you don't trust both of them it's just that nacho's lie is a bigger scum tell. I'm not saying we have to ignore his lie, just that we should look at the whole picture, and decide also on the possibilities of losing the game after a mislynch. Weren't you so worried yesterDay about a mislynch.

Yes I am, but when someone blatantly lies about something where there is no need for a lie, its a pretty strong Mafia tell.  And I am willing to forget about the possiblity of Linkz being mafia to kill someone who lies for no reason.  As town you have no reason to lie about your role.  I am willing to bet that if no one came out and mentioned they couldnt believe he was vanilla townie he would never had "changed" his role claim.  He would have rode it out until the end.   But because multiple people brought it as an issue,  he came out rather quickly to say that it was all a trap.  "Hey you guys you know what I said earlier about beig vanilla townie?  Just joking im really a Commuter it was all a trap, now just ignore that I lied for no reason"   Paraphrasing, but basically what he said.   

I understand.

With noctis vote, and radish unvote they are still at L-2 both.