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ultima on 03 September 2013
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Slimebeast said:
ultima said:
Slimebeast said:
snyps said:
Slimebeast said:
It doesn't matter if it has done more good than any other idea if it's true. And Christianity is true.



That's just thumping your bible.

Not just thumping the bible, but partly.

The second sentence is what you describe as bible thumping, yes, and it's actually the core of Christianity, to claim that Christ is God. Yes, it could be described as bible thumping, but there's nothing wrong with that, it works that way. The Good News spread that way.

My first sentence though, has to do with what I think is the interesting part. Our search for truth. I am making a point about it, because I'm not primarily interested in comparing ideologies and beliefs and try to determine which is "better" for mankind by some contemporary, humanistic standards. I am interested in truth. And a Karmic worldview just doesn't make any sense.

The belief in karmic justice, that if somebody does wrong to you, "you let the world sort it out" is idiocy to me, because it's not just childish, but unlikely and unlogical, and so therefore it just can't be true, and that's why in my opinion it ultimately doesn't matter much, if any, if the belief in karmic justice by some measure causes people to behave in a "good" or "better" way than any other worldview.

The irony here is unreal! You claim that Christianity is the truth, then make fun of karmic philosophy for being unlikely and "unlogical". LOL!

So let me get this straight. There is an almighty supernatural being that hates for his name to be taken in vain, that is the jealous type, that demands that you do nothing on the holy sabbath, that finds the smell of burning animal flesh pleasing, that once only cared about his chosen race of Jews, that later had a complete paradigm shift and sent his son to be tortured and killed by humans, by impregnating a Jewish virgin, so that humans could be forgiven of their intrinsic sins, then resurrected his son and raised him to heaven to serve alongside him, then inspired a few monks to write contradictory manuscripts of Jesus's life, then inspired yet others to compile these contradictory manuscripts into biblical canon, effectively expanding his religion by letting everyone (not just Jews) to qualify to worship him. You know what, you're right. That's totally likely and logical.

I didn't make fun of karmic justice, I just dismissed it as unlikely, based on primitive and naive feelings and wishes (Christianity is also largely based on a human individual's primitive and naive wishes and hopes, and there's nothing wrong with that, that's the motive for the believer to seek truth, to seek God) and being unlogical without any evidence.

If you're gonna make an argument for karmic justice, what do you base it on other than it's a nice idea? Explain how is it grounded in reality. Go ahead.

It's much more logical that there exists a mediator, an almighty God, who makes sure that some form of justice is enforced (according to Christianity not in this dark and evil world but in the next), than to believe in the Bhuddist Wheel of life, that all living things must repeatedly be reincarnated until they can escape carnal existense, being guided by a nameless karmic force who just evens out everything.

God is not racist just because he chose the a small, wicked tribe (the Jews) to use as a tool and mediator to prepare the world for the ultimate

It's not simply a paradigm shift. The Old Testament and the history of the Jews (even according to the Jews themselves, it's not just a Christian interpretation) is a preparation for the messiah, a saviour for the whole world.

Everything connects together in a brilliant way, the whole history from Adam, to Abraham, to Jesus, to present day, to the end of the world and finally the world to come.

First of all, I never claimed that I believe in supernatural karmic justice. I simply found it amusing that you'd call it unlikely and illogical, when it was you who previously claimed that Christianity is true.

You're asking me for an argument to back up karmic justice. What argument do you have to back up Christianity? Explain how Christianity is grounded in reality. Because I really don't see it. And please don't just thump your bible.

So you're telling me that Christianity is more likely than Buddhism because in the former there is a human-like diety that enforces justice? How do you back this up? In fact, it seems more primitive and wishful to me to invent a god that is so much like us. I don't get where you're coming from here.