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JWeinCom on 30 August 2013
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bananaking21 said:
JWeinCom said:
 

1.  You completely missed the point of the story.  The point of the story was not about how the PSMove was selling at one store, the point was that selling the hardware for more than it costs to produce does not mean they made money once you factor in other costs.  So "they sold 15 million" does not mean "they made money".  Before they can make actual profit they have to pay the developers of move software, pay Kevin Butler for his ads, and so on so forth.  

Microsoft spent 500 million on the Kinect.  So if they sold 20 million Kinects at 20 dollars a pop profit, then they didn't make any money.  Of course that's theoretical, but saying they sold 15 million means nothing in the absense of other relevant information.

2.  Ok.  Now go through that list and tell me what meaningful support is coming out for the system in the last year.  Of that list, I can only see three Sony move titles, two of which flopped and one that I don't have sales data for.  Sony supports the Move in the same way EA supported the Wii U.  If the move was still profitable, I'd imagine Sony would... you know... make some games for it...

1- and there is simply no way to know if they made money or bombed. however the 15 million units does suggest it sold enough to. and it does elimiate the concept of the move "bombing"

2- what meaningfull support did the kinect get? a star wars game and some dance games? yet it sold very well and it was a success. the dance and fitness games, LBP karting, wonderbook, MLB the show and bioshock infinite are enough to move the PS move it seems. it wont sell hunder of millions but so far that support moved moved 15 million units and the PS move is being supported by the PS4. 

you are agruing the level of success of the move, which isnt my point. my point is, the move didnt "bomb". can you provide any evidence that it did? 

1.  I think the evidence I see in terms of support indicates to me that it did not make money. Edit: Or at least not nearly as much as Sony thought or enough to make it a worthwhile investment.

2.  The Kinect had a lot more support than the Move did and its games were much more successful.  The Kinect had something like 6 million sellers that I know of.  Maybe a few more.  That's not including bundled games.  Just Dance for instance sold about 3-4 times more than it did on the PS3.  I don't think the Kinect was a raging success, but it was certainly better off than the Move.

Bomb is kind of a subjective opinion.  I have no way to prove whether it bombed or not, especially cause I can't saw what exactly bombed is. All I'm saying is that the evidence to me does not indicate that the Move was successful.  If we agree on that, then I guess we're in agreement.

pezus said:

Now he added "He almost made me forget the move was awful". Excuse me, but WHAT? You may not like the games, but the device is great and also superior to the Wiimote.

Hardware is only as good as its software.  Suppose a company made a system 5000X more powerful than the PS4, but it only played Superman 64.  That system would suck.