okr on 30 August 2013
@Carl: I don't agree with you about the ref, but I agree about Bayern and I actually enjoyed watching them struggle today against a team which they most probably would have dominated only a few months ago under Heynckes. I'm a Bayern hater after all (though I live only 10 kilometers away from their Allianz Arena). Bayern is clearly not as strong as last season which increases the chances of my BVB in Bundesliga 2013/14 even more.
