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@ ironman dx & max king of the wild.

bashing is unecessarry from all fronts. The only thing that is surprising is noone has seen a retail ps4 yet Microsoft has shown several. Based on the unamed rumours about being behind schedule etc i would have thought it the other way around. Lets be honest both machines pack a punch in power for an enclosed console. Its probably the hardest release for both companies in terms of yields and heating.