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richardhutnik on 26 August 2013
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killerzX said:
Viper1 said:
Jumpin said:
It's because both Conservatism and Libertarianism are both ideologies which reward the greedy and punish those in unfortunate situations.

The biggest difference between them are that conservatives are more honest to themselves about the consequences of their ideology in that they create a situation where the rich and greedy are awarded with freedom and power. Not too dissimilar from the high class of a fascist society.

Actually, Libertarians expect those in unfortunate situations to be helped by individuals through volunteerism and private sector involement.   Rather than being forced to support others, they want the choice to be theirs.  It doesn't make them greedy or want to punish those of unfortunate circumstances.  You need to understand that it's not that they don't want those that need help to be able to get help, they simply believe that help should come from a different source.

They also believe that their policies would reduce the number of people in those unfortunate situations to begin with.

this.

which is why conservatives (libertarians aswell) give so much more charity than liberals do. Conservatives believe its the individuals responsibility to help others, liberals believe its governments job to take care of others

I believe there is a different focus when it comes to the disadvantaged and poor, between the left and the right.  Left side ends up focusing on the state of the individual and seek so thave it lifted.  They currently will end up viewing it as a collective responsibility.  So long as there is suffering, they see there is a problem.  Whether they do or don't help personally isn't the issue, but the state of the poor is.  Because of this, they are more inclined to push for welfare.

On the other side, the right will view it as a personal responsibility.  So long as people do try to respond, that is sufficient.  And so long as they give, even if people are still suffering and dying, so long as they tried, that is sufficient.  This will go as far as labelling people who are still not making it as having it as their fault.  Personal responsibility goes all the way through it, even to the people who don't make it.

You can see an example, pointed at myself that goes into the mentality of the situation:

http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2010/03/this-is-why-welfare-sucks/

You see an utter complete and total hatred of giving aid to those who didn't earn it.  There is a bit of a civil nod to the situation there, in, "Well some need to be helped".  See, I REFUSED to take a job flipping burgers in the mind of this writer.  Nevermind I had reached out for such jobs, and was turned down.  BUT, because of the mantra of "personal responsibility", they just don't see it.  OBVIOUSLY the problem was my fault.  OBVIOUSLY.  Focus is on the individual, and doing, with nothing bigger picture seen.