killerzX said:
sc94597 said:
killerzX said:
sc94597 said:
Mr Khan said:
Ultimately, Libertarianism is not acceptable to the American political mainstream, which is why it only ever gains traction on the fringes, though it wins some of its small victories. |
I think you're going to be surprised in the near future when there will not only be a large segement of libertarianism in the Republican party, but also the Democratic party. Do remember that until the 1930's, classical liberalism was the overwhelmingly dominant political philosophy in the United States, and it hasn't died as it had in Europe, and Asia (arguably never born in Asia.)
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not going to happen, the party's platform moves further from libertarianism and gets more more statist every election cycle.
i can forsee the the republican party perhaps fracturing, or splitting. we are starting to see that already. We have the establisment republicans that are progressive/ big governments-lite, and then you have the tea party types and the libertarian wings of the party. the latter groups or genuinelly for limited constituional government, the former part of the republican party as different from the democratic party as many people think. the last 4 years there has sort of been a clash within the republican party, of where its member want it to go.
but as for libertarianism gaining ground within the democratic party. not a chance, there's a greater probability of a 3rd party playing a major part in a presidential election than the DNC getting libertarians
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The two-party system doesn't allow for splits. Just shifts in paradigms. This election cycle has shown a more libertarian Republican house, and with some work we can have a libertarian Republican senate. After the Bush era, and the failure of Obama's "promises" there has been a shift among the general public toward libertarianism of some extent (at least 1/3rd of the U.S population according to polls.) As for the democratic party, once the republican establishment falls (which it is currently) so will it's twin the the democratic party. You'll see more influence from both left-wing libertarians and with the common interests right-wing libertarians. Overall we'll she a shift toward the right (smaller government) because it's necessary for the left-winged libertarians to reach their goals.
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well i guess we will have to agree to disagree. i just cant see the democratic party shifting that way.
the democratic party isnt having the same infighting or diverging of directions as the republican party is having. its only getting more authoritarian moving fruther left., while the republican party has the neo-cons that are pushing for more liberal policies or just the status quo, and you have the limited government wing with the likes of libertarians/tea party/constitutionalists.
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The actual liberal democrats who believe in social liberties and the limitation of the military-industrial complex, despite their economic views, align more with me as a libertarian than establishment "moderate" Republicans who support crony-capitalism (just as bad as socialism), the industrial military complex, and the welfare-warfare state.
I'd take Ron Wyden (D) over McCain (R), Lindsey Graham (R), or even Chris Christie (R) any day of the week.
Like it or not, there is a non-authoritarian segment of the Democratic voter-base and (to a lesser extent) political base. It just so happens that their voices are drowned out by moderates. Essentially, though, their economic policies will conflict with mine so much so that it is hard to align with them, but the same can be said of the corporatist/crony-capitalist/fascist/mercantilist/keynesian establishment Republicans who also support intervention elsewhere. The enemy is the establishment in both parties. The "moderates" who are really statists in all matters as opposed to just a specific or set of specific matters.
