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Marks said:
killerzX said:
Marks said:
They aren't even remotely the same. Anyone who thinks they are is very very confused, or has been mislead in the past.

Libertarians (as I understand it, and consider myself) are all about freedom/individual rights, minimal taxation, deregulation, privatization, etc. Taxes would be low, marijuana would be legal, abortions/euthanasia would be up to the individual, we would respect (not fear) police...and so on

Conservatives (as I take it) are about lower spending and taxes, supporting business, etc. so fairly similar economically...but are against abortion, drugs, etc. So I can see how they appear similar, but conservatives don't give a shit about personal freedom (except when it comes to firearms maybe).

conservatives and many libertarians would argue that being for abortion is anti-liberty, and is the ultimate form of tyranny as you are denying another person of the fundamental God given right to LIFE, liberty and the persuit of hapiness. I consider myself a conservatarian of sorts. pro-limited government, 100000% pro life. pro-low taxes, low regulation, pro-constitution. i view marriage as something the government shouldnt be involved in, but as long as it is involved, marriage should be the same definition as it has been since the country's founding. As it literally makes no sense to arbitrarly expend the the definition of marriage to homosexual monogomous couples while still restricting to leave out other definitions like polygomy and incest.

Conservatives and libertarians are very similar for the most part. which is why most libertarians who want any chance of winning an election run as a republican (which  im not confusing the establishment republican party as actually conservatives, most of the establisment (read" the people in charge of the party) are progressive-lights and or neo-cons.) but there are still many true conservatives that actually stand up for the constitution and liberty in the rupublican party. Rand Paul and Ted Cruz come to mind.

anyway the democratic party (including: modern day liberals, progressives, fascists, totalitarians, communists/socialists, and statists)  is a complete lost cause when it comes to liberty and the constitution and are virtual polar oposites from libertarians.


Ahhh good point on abortion. Yeah I'm pro-life as well, I see what you mean how abortion is denying the right to life. I would definitely agree that denying a woman one of their rights for the sake of an entirely new life is worth it. 

Abortion ends up being one place where life over liberty comes into play.  Because conservatives will place life over liberty, they will be opposed to abortion (and also arguably for capital punishment to punish those who took human life).  Libertarians, who value liberty over life, will end up being pro-choice on the abortion issuie.  A libertarian is more than willing to have people die, so long as they have freedom.  A conservative is less likely, but is willing to let people die if they deserve it.  Deserving it could also be the shiftless who are welfare (well, the argument is the 47% won't take responsibility for themselves), drug addicts, or any other people who deserved it, because consequences is arguably the best way to get people to end up respecting life.