| the2real4mafol said: A.) I wasn't old enough at the time (i was 15 when he was elected), but i wouldn't vote for him ever. He's a conservative. I'd probably vote for the Green party though. B.) Well through the use of certain taxes, the poor are made poorer. Taxes like VAT or sales tax hit the poor the hardest. The bedroom tax on public housing in the UK also makes people poorer than they should be. Also, the government has failed to increase minimum wage in line with inflation, so people have alot less expendable income. And, laws that weakened trade unions considerably in the 80's didn't help for working class people. c.) I know the US has these things. But i guess i just don't like how healthcare in the US is not so accessible for the poor because it is run by private companies who are only after profit. The fact that insurance can be denied to someone with a long term illness is just disgusting. In the US, the technology and medicine is there and it should be there for anyone who needs it instead of being restricted to only those who can pay. I don't think it is too hard to implement. And no one is forced to use it. Their taxes still pay towards it though. But I love the NHS, it has been so useful to me. Especially last year, when i needed a crown for my tooth. It's nice not to have to worry about the cost of healthcare your self. Also, i guess UK healthcare is different then. Everyone, no matter their wealth can use the NHS. And yeah, i'm not sure if illegals should use it or not. Citizens should get help first though if they choose to accept it. But, also i strongly believe all education (not just school) should be free. Just because it is so important at the higher levels to get us a decent career. The cost deters some of the best who happened to be poor from going to university as it costs so much. But yeah, i wouldn't want to live off the state either but it should be there anyway as a safety net. Especially, when people seem to be losing jobs all over the place (mostly from the large private sector).
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A) That's my point. Complaining that the guy you didn't vote and wouldn't of voted for isn't doing what you want is kind of dumb.
B) Stuff like failing to increase minium wage isn't really making people poorer, again you are mostly complaining about stuff they haven't done. Not specific measures that specifically make the poor pooer, except whatever a bedroom tax is. We don't have that in the US.
C) Your representation of the US Medical system isn't accurate. You can get medical treatment in the US if you don't have insurance, it just costs a lot of money. Nobody is actually barred from treatment... some people to forgo it because they don't want to pay the costs. By the time you can't afford medical treatment anymore, you qualify for government assitance.
Now I'm not sure about the UK, but in the US pretty much anybody who is very smart will get into a college pretty easy. State colleges are pretty reasonable and loans are really easy to get. In the US if anything we have too many people going to college.
Additionally the problem is, you really aren't thinking about the negative effects of college. If EVERYONE went to college, suddenly everyone has degrees.
Which actually has some problems...
1) Due to supply and demand, average wages drop dramatically. Suddenly there are 5-6 times the people applying for jobs in these fields. Companies can and will pay much less... and since there will still be the same number of people to work at McDonalds and they don't care about your degree, low level jobs won't pay more. Afterall a lot of these jobs are less work and more emoitonally rewarding then a job like McDonalds so put enough people up for those jobs who seem qualfied and they'll be willing to take huge pay cuts.
2) Due to the vast increase in degrees, nepotism, legacies and in general hiring people you know will vastly increase. There are way more people in the work force now, and the percentage of people who will be awful will increase. People hire others they know, not so much to help there friends and family, but more so because they already know these people. Often times they know these people won't be the best, but they also know these people won't be the worst. They know they can leave them with the keys to the shop and not get robbed. Employers are hiring people to help with what is their source of income so a feeling a saftey is important.
When increasing the number of applicants, and lets be honest here, the majority of them will be horrible, you increase the risk that those you do deeply interview and/or hire will be terrible. Hence a stronger look "within.". Or looking at a workers background, what do their parents do etc. In an attempt to lower class barriers, you actually increase them. Even within the same class, as people will be more pressured to join the family buisness because of how much harder it is to get a job as an "outsider".
3) Additionally because of the above companies will be far more conservative about hiriing, hiring slower and expanding slower, slowing the job market for nice middle class jobs. Or what were nice middle class jobs anyway.
4) People will be less happy with their work.
http://businessjournal.gallup.com/content/163469/educated-less-engaged.aspx
And that's just now... think how unhappy all those excess college graduates will be when they're all working at Wal-Mart unable to get jobs because their is a new rise in nepotism. Or hpw unhappy those lucky enough to get jobs will be... after they realize they are making far less at their jobs then their predecessors did.
Or at least that's one way for it to go. The other way is that certain colleges become the "elite" colleges, find a way to monetize it, and then hiring only comes from those colleges, making the whole idea moot, except now even more people go to school for 4 year degrees that mean nothing.
Of course that said... the new Obama plan meant to cut down on college aid also seems perilious and set up for disaster.
http://www.npr.org/2013/08/22/214520122/does-the-data-exist-to-make-college-rating-system-work
