Kasz216 said:
dsgrue3 said:
"Most PVS patients are unresponsive to external stimuli and their conditions are associated with different levels of consciousness."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_vegetative_state
Again, saying I'm wrong has no bearing upon reality. And, hey, guess what? You were wrong. Definitively and absolutely, objectively, and quantifiably.
Not sure what you were rambling about with fetuses. Not that you know anything about that either.
I know what I responded to. You said it was ILLOGICAL to compare the states. It isn't and I've proven my case.
End of.
Btw, what are your credentials? Oh right, none. I've yet to see any sources backing anything that you say. Can't find any? Lulz
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You do reaize what you posted specifically says that people in a PVS do react to stimuli. The sentece you quoted specifically states that.
and yes... it is still illogical to compare the states.
As for sources.
Do you have scientific journal access?
The fetus stuff is pretty easy to come across. The vegtative stuff generally requires scientific journal access.
Though hell.
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2009/09September/Pages/Learning-in-a-vegetative-state.aspx
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It's as if you see my response, but fail repeatedly to actually read it. I bolded and underlined the key point so you can read it this time. You know, the part where it explicitly states they are UNRESPONSIVE.
I'm not sure if you realize this, but simply saying "it's illogical [bro]" is not a valid rebuttal. You need to support that position, which you've yet to do in any impactful regard.
Diagnostic criteria for the vegetative state (US Multi-Society Task Force on Persistent Vegetative State guidelines, 1994):
- No evidence of awareness of self or environment and an inability to interact with others
- No evidence of sustained, reproducible, purposeful, or voluntary behavioral responses to visual, auditory, tactile, or noxious stimuli
- No evidence of language comprehension or expression
- Presence of sleep-wake cycles
- Sufficiently preserved hypothalamic and brainstem autonomic functions to permit survival with medical and nursing care
- Bowel and bladder incontinence
- Variably preserved cranial-nerve and spinal reflexes
Just from glancing at your source it doesn't seem relevant at all as it did not differentiate itself from vegetative and minimally conscious states...
"This small study looked at responses in 22 people who were in a vegetative or minimally conscious state."
Furthermore:
"Similar responses were seen in people in a vegetative state and people in a minimally conscious state, and the test was not able to distinguish between these groups, incorrectly classifying two out of 11 people in the vegetative state and four out of nine non–vegetative state participants (an accuracy of 72.7%)."
