So an Abortion limiting bill passed in my state, Texas

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Kasz216 said:

dsgrue3 said:

Saying something is wrong doesn't make it so and you've failed to provide a modicum of evidence for your position. If you can't see that, I feel very sorry for you.

Am I Khan? No, check the name again. If you want to address him, do so, but you are addressing me so confine your replies to MY statements and mine alone.

What I have said is that a fetus at 20 weeks and someone in a vegetative state have nearly identical brain function and lack of response to external stimuli. You've attempted (quite falsely) on numerous occasions to strawman my position into an ethical analysis when it isn't. 

But since you can't seem to differentiate (even after I informed you that you are failing hard to understand my position) I will make a statement about it. Someone in a vegetative state is dead. There really isn't any argument you can make to me that will hold firm due to lack of cognitive abilities under such circumstances. It's an empty shell; a wad of electrochemical nonsense. Certainly you have to consider that this person was alive and has the potential to regain life, so suspending their chance can be premature. As you admitted, if it becomes PVS there is little hesitation about pulling their life support. 

This is different from a fetus in regard to life because it never had life in the first place. 

Do you understand yet or do I need to keep repeating myself?

Well to start with.  I responded to Khan.  Which you then responded

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5574853

So... from the very basic procedural flow of converation.   You are wrong.

 

 

Outside that.  You have a faulty belief about what a Persistant Vegatative State is.   Like I mentioned earlier in this thread.  People in a Persistant Vegetative State do react to stimuli.  Hold their hand and they will grip it.  Put heat on them, and they will turn away.  They're sensory brainwaves are still working.

 

Fetus actually don't get these systems until week 24... and they don't actually fire up until later.... and they don't fire up all the way. 

So in that case, fetus are behind PSV... far long then would think.

They don't fire up all the way until birth.   Which doesn't actually mean a specific gestation period but actually means birth since the womb supresses full consiousness basically keeping the fetus in a permanent state of sleep.

 

The next level of "stimulatori consiousness" is the "slow brain wave" phase.  Which doesn't occur until months after birth... and again... a child is no more advanced then an animal cognitivly until over a year after birth.

 

Well.  That is of course... in relation to your "average" person in a vegetative state anyway.   Aproximitly 20% of people diagnosed  in "Vegetative States" actually maintain full "brain activity".  They just don't use the advanced tests to check really... and it's mostly a quality of life issue.

 

Now if you want to talk preemption... that comes with it's own issues... since it gives the moral greenlight to "Designer babies". even when it comes to the most abhorent practices like performing procedures that your child doesn't become gay.  (Though portrayed as genetic mostly, chances are it'd be a hormone pill the mother takes.)

"Most PVS patients are unresponsive to external stimuli and their conditions are associated with different levels of consciousness."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_vegetative_state

Again, saying I'm wrong has no bearing upon reality. And, hey, guess what? You were wrong. Definitively and absolutely, objectively, and quantifiably.

Not sure what you were rambling about with fetuses. Not that you know anything about that either. 

I know what I responded to. You said it was ILLOGICAL to compare the states. It isn't and I've proven my case. 

End of.

Btw, what are your credentials? Oh right, none. I've yet to see any sources backing anything that you say. Can't find any? Lulz