So an Abortion limiting bill passed in my state, Texas

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Kasz216 said:

dsgrue3 said:

 

I thought I made it perfectly clear, but I guess some people struggle with understanding the difference between a confined analysis and an extrapolation to real world scenarios.

This is not meant to be a comprehensive position on how to address vegetative states. It's simply addressing the similarity of the electrocortical activity between someone in a vegetative state and a fetus around 20 weeks. 

You're making it into something it isn't.

I've made no comments about specific scenarios because I wasn't addressing it initially, nor do I care to.

Either case, as a confined analysis or an extrapolation... it's simply wrong.

The fact that you aren't willing to make a comment on the specific scenario pretty much accurately shows that.  (Not to mention the fact that Khan specifically was using sentience as his barometer, so the coma question is a completely accurate question... he was directly saying it was the same... because of the lack of sentience.   Reread what Khan said.)

I mean, maybe it just stems from an ignorance of what a vegatative state is... but while a vegetative state is worse then a coma.  It's actually a state where someone has partially recovered from a coma.  Someone in a vegatative state is more "alive" then someone in a coma.

The reason doctors generally think it's "ethical" to take someone off life support in a vegatative state isn't because they don't have brain functions.  It's because the chances of them regaining brain functions are so so slim (Past a month) that it's deemed a lost cost. 

 

The main problem with hypercharged issues like this is most people don't actually think about them beyond a currsory initial thought and what they're told.

Saying something is wrong doesn't make it so and you've failed to provide a modicum of evidence for your position. If you can't see that, I feel very sorry for you.

Am I Khan? No, check the name again. If you want to address him, do so, but you are addressing me so confine your replies to MY statements and mine alone.

What I have said is that a fetus at 20 weeks and someone in a vegetative state have nearly identical brain function and lack of response to external stimuli. You've attempted (quite falsely) on numerous occasions to strawman my position into an ethical analysis when it isn't. 

But since you can't seem to differentiate (even after I informed you that you are failing hard to understand my position) I will make a statement about it. Someone in a vegetative state is dead. There really isn't any argument you can make to me that will hold firm due to lack of cognitive abilities under such circumstances. It's an empty shell; a wad of electrochemical nonsense. Certainly you have to consider that this person was alive and has the potential to regain life, so suspending their chance can be premature. As you admitted, if it becomes PVS there is little hesitation about pulling their life support. 

This is different from a fetus in regard to life because it never had life in the first place. 

Do you understand yet or do I need to keep repeating myself?