| Calmador said: Its there... Matthew 15:19-2119 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.” Ezekiel 16:26 1 Corinthians 6:9–10
The Ezekiel verse is the most clear verse from anyone's point of view.
This is easily a Christian stance. Actually, there were a number of posters that supported this view... Christian and non-Christain. Joseph in the old testament, in the book of Genesis... before the Greeks even existed resisted sex with a governer's wife...which would be fornication. Joseph wasn't married and he called this a wicked thing. Also, that Ezekiel verse is probably in a time before the Greeks even existed. I don't look for admiration in anybody. If people mock me or not doesn't mean a thing to me. This is for your sake and anyone else who reads' sake. |
Again, no it isn't. You really need to stop Bible quoting, especially from the english version.
In the quotes you're using there, the original Greek terminology was "pornea". This was incorrectly tranlated to "fornication" in the King James. The problem is that there isn't really a proper single word for pornea in modern english, because it is a contextual word. It's kinda like "Tebowing". If St Paul was telling you not to "Tebow" you would know what he meant if you followed American Football. You know it meant not to kneel and pray after scoring a touchdown. 13 centeries from now though, the reference wouldn't be understood and you might try to come up with terms like "celebrate a victory" or something of that nature, but that is too general.
The Corinthians back in the day had a great temple you could go to. The operators of said temple rounded up women as sexual slaves. If you were a farmer hoping for a good crop you could go and pay for some sex with the sex slaves and not only could you get your rocks off, but it was supposed to make your crops grow well too. This activity was called "pornea" by the people of the day. Can't beat that deal! Except for the forced prostitution and the fact that most of these farmers would probably be married and thus cheating on their wives.
So when you see people in the Bible telling people not to pornea, they are telling them that paying sex slaves for sex to help your crops grow is wrong. I think most of us would agree with that. They are not saying pre-marital sex is wrong.
Also, in your completely irrelevent example, Joseph resisted sex with a governor's wife. Of course sex with a governor's wife is wrong! She's married! That's what we call coveting a neighbors wife. That's one of the 10 God-given commandments.
No, there is no reference to two non-married people having free, consentual, sex because they love each other as a bad thing. There are examples of good men having multiple wives, but that's another topic all together. The idea of no sex until marriage is a societal control that became more common in Victorian England (before this almost 40% of first pregnancies were pre-marriage). It has no Bible basis.
I commend you for wanting to be a virgan until marriage if that's what makes you happy. It's probably a healthy and safe lifestyle. But don't try to say it's the right thing to do because the Bible says so and that others are doing something wrong. Risking disease or unplanned pregnacy or emotional scars, sure, but they may also enjoy love, happiness and other wonderful things through a pre-marriage sexual relationship. And avoiding sexual relationships could also cause sadness or loneliness, and judging others is definitly wrong. Leave that to God.
