Mind-blow: Our choices are not pre-determined, but God knows

[dsgrue3]

happydolphin said:

dsgrue3 said:

Predeterminism isn't about prediction, it's about knowledge. It's a certainty given a certain set of events. 

Now you're saying there isn't predeterminism, but that's exactly what foreknowledge is. 

So either you're saying he isn't omniscient, or we don't have free will. You need to pick a side; you seem to misunderstand that there are logical contradictions between these abstractions.

This is exactly the kind of thinking that is the trap in this theology.

Foreknowledge is foreknowledge, whether something can be predetermined (or predicted if you prefer) or not. That's the whole revelation.

That is what the logic hinges on, the fact that foreknowledge does NOT require predeterminism, because actually it just doesn't. Foreknowledge in and of itself doesn't require the ability to predict if the being that has the foreknowledge can, for example, be unbound by time.

Actually it does.

predetermined  past participle, past tense of pre·de·ter·mine (Verb)

Verb

Establish or decide in advance.

Predestine (an outcome or course of events).

fore·knowl·edge  

/fôrˈnäləj/

Noun

Awareness of something before it happens or exists.

The terms are nearly identical. Not sure which definition you're reading...