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Dr.Grass said:
Jay520 said:

I'll keep it short and post a short version of the argument from Wikipedia:

1. If no perfectly loving God exists, then God does not exist.
2. If a perfectly loving God exists, then there is a God who is always open to personal relationship with each human person.
3. If there is a God who is always open to personal relationship with each human person, then there no human person is ever non-resistantly unaware that God exists.
4. If a perfectly loving God exists, then no human person is ever non-resistantly unaware that God exists (from 2 and 3).
5. Some human persons are non-resistantly unaware that God exists.
6. No perfectly loving God exists (from 4 and 5).
7. God does not exist (from 1 and 6).

What do you think of this argument? Good or bad? 

I guess you could say that God doesn't have to be perfectly loving if he does exist, but I think the majority of theists believe otherwise. Everything else seems valid to me.


1. Agreed.

2. Agreed.

3. I'm sorry what? Is non-resistantly unaware == ignorance?

4. 3 needs clarification

5. This seems clear enough.

6. Yes.

7. Ok.

I'm following everything fine, but could you just make #3 more clear so I can comment properly?

I like these kind of things. *looks at thread* Too bad there are peasants who just can't stomach this type of rigidity.



See above