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Calmador on 03 August 2013
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Scoobes said:
Calmador said:
Torillian said:


Your word is not proof, proof requires something repeatable that you can show everyone or some recorded evidence you can show for your word.  That's the way the scientific process works.  

You know he exists, I'm sticking with he doesn't based off the current evidence.  

Scientic evidence isn't the only way to get evidence. You do know evidence in itself is not confined to science. Right now, I imagine there's a court case being made with the use of testimonial evidence. So, if someone tells you they saw something then its evidence. That's literally how we live our lives.... hey I saw "____" happened and we believe it and continue on our lives on common testimonies like that. Also, off the top of my head, there's historical analysis which is purely arguments based off what is.... seen.... from ancient artifacts.

Next, actually this is scientific evidence. I have repeated it. I have recorded it so by your own requests, you have my scientific evidence to accept. That I have had multiple prayers answers.

My brother and many other have repeated praying for such signs and they have happend. This is repeatable.

So, give God a chance... look more into this man. This isn't some made up things. I used to doubt it too but supernatural experiences have and do happen.

EDIT: I replied a lot. lol I've posted enough for today, I'll reply another day.

Just thought I'd reply to this. Witness testimonials are well known to be hugely unreliable. A single (even group) witness testimonial without further evidence (be it forensic, psychological, videos, audio logs, documentation etc.) will never be enough for a conviction in a genuine court of law. People are also easily swayed by a decent lawyer (or those around them) and will question their own memories if the general trend says something different. So everything you've posted would not count as reliable evidence.

As for your claims, why do you think these spiritual experiences equate to god? Have you considered alternative theories? Have you looked into psychology and neuroscience as to why this might occur? Or perhaps some of the more bizzare theories in quantum physics? Or perhaps it is supernatural but not neccessarily god? There are many possibilities.

You've come to a conclusion based on personal experience but you can't expect other people to believe your interpretation based on that alone. Based on your previous posts I would also recommend you read outside of religious texts. Like I said, their are many possible explanations.

Absolutely, I would think that that would be obvious. I doubt a court case would be solved... by some guy saying.. Yeeaaah I saw him murder her... Judge says,"case closed" lol Nevertheless, testomonial evidence is used as support. That was my point. That's for a court case... However for me as an individual or any individual. Me personally seeing something super natural AFTER I prayed to ask for that specific something is easily 100% evidence of God's existence. All I was trying to persue the other guy was that wouldn't be logical... reasonabel for YOU the hearer of my testimony.. to (shrugs) check it out a little better? I mean I'm not the only guy... I personally met and know other people in real life that have had these experiences... let alone the rumors that are out there. Its definitely evidence. Why would people talk about things that never happened?

Maybe you didn't read my other posts... because I definitely have considered other explanations. The pyschological and nueroscience possibilities... are unreasonable because I don't have "visions" on a daily bases... nor do I do drugs.. or drink alchohol. I never have done any of those. Quantum physic, I don't know about it. Is there something in quantum physics that explains people's prayers being replied and then that they see geometric shape on the cieling, light green shape, in the middle of the night? I just did a quick google search on it... and found people saying it supports the idea of God.

It was definitely supernatural and it was definitely God. How do I know... because the God of the Bible does not share his God-hood. I prayed to that one God who doesn't share his God-hood and I asked him to prove himself in that image. He did and claimed it. I see a great difference between Christianity and all other major religions. Its like water and oil. They don't mix. Christianity says good is 100% good and evil is less than 100%. All other major religions tthink good and evil are relative... Islam does aswell... although people might mistake it for being black and white aswell. Islam and muslims believe God does both good and evil. Christians believe God only does good. That's a fundementally HUGE difference and its like that with the rest of "spirituality." If the other spirituality as you put, exists... it wouldn't have identified itself as the Christian God. Instead, I got a confirmation of the Christian God and I'm really glad because he is easily most sensable, good, and most loving God of all.

What better proof is there than personal experience for an individual? And yes I can expect other people to believe my interpertation since its reasonable and straight foreward. I saw God respond to my prayer. It can happen by that alone... your the one who are basing your conclusions on bad grounds. When personal experience is GREAT evidence (you say otherwise which is pretty ridiculous by default)

I've been reading texts outside of religion for the past 25 years... There are many explanations but you'd have to be purposely difficult or naive to not see how easily the evidence of my testimony point to a certian explanation.

There was a time when I was very open to God not existing... I wanted to KNOW that existed by this vision. Now I know, give God a chance... Like, I said above... I have read non-religious books.. I have hundreds of them in my closest right now. I like reading. How about you? Have you read the Bible? Do you know the fundmental beliefs? Do you know what your agaisnt?



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.