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Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Cubedramirez said:

Mr Khan said: 



Value produced, as you said. The value produced by these employees is higher than it was in the past, never mind that they are not personally responsible for the higher productivity. If they produce more value, they are worth more.


You are forgetting one aspect.

Demand.

Supply for the job far outways demand to the point that if far outwipes any share of increased profits.

The real issue is... what the hell happened that these jobs are suddenly primary employment jobs. 

Such jobs should only be for teenagers and those looking for a little extra money/reason to get out of the house.

Some jobs are so low skill and value that they just shouldn't be jobs that people work as a primary income source.

 

 

I will note again, that Germany has no minium wage and it hasn't devolved into some distopian shadowrun country. In fact, they generally seem to have a giant surplus of "high-wage" jobs.

I'd argue that minium wage being used to make shitty jobs liveable draws focus away from creating non-shitty jobs.

The reality is that they are a primary job for an appreciable number of people, however. The bigger question would be "why?"

You also have to look at living standards and other such things. Low-paying jobs can have a hell of a lot of their income eaten up by things like how much money you spend to get to and from work, among other things.

I also tend to have a very dim view of supply and demand being used as an excuse to radically overpay some people and hideously underpay others. We may be actors in the market, but we should be treated with a bit more respect than a drum of oil.

Back to my earlier point, however, we would need to address why some people are relying on what should be purely a side-income job. Are these people statistical anomalies, or is something more sinister at play?

Well first off.  People are treated better then a drum of oil.  Living costs are largely included in "real" jobs.

For Fast Food jobs, living costs aren't included because you don't need to hire people with living costs.   Sure you will if someone applies since they have more expeirnce then the younger kid, but the mintue they get something better they can be replaced within a week.  Areas that don't have a sizebale "Leisure" workforce see wages rise quite a bit in the service industry.

Again, the likely cause is of people depending on these jobs is probably... minimum wage. 

 

When you look at the countries that have the largest amount of people working in "real" jobs...  Germany and Denmark top the list.   What do these countries have in common?   No minium wage.

If there was no minium wage, these jobs would pay less.  The only people who could afford these jobs are those who don't rely on it as a primary job.

Hence the demand for "real" jobs would increase greatly... forcing things into action.

The requirment of minimium wage creates a false belief on what is liveable, and plenty of people become more then willing to work an easy job that pays little, rather then put in the effort to get a better job. 

 

As it is... society, like most countries societies consider these kind of service jobs a career, or at least the first step in one.  (by getting promoted into a more valuable position.  Though considering how few of those exist compaired to the service jobs...)

When you look at the countries that have the largest amount of people working in "real" jobs...  Germany and Denmark come to mind.

 

It should simply be a matter of removing minium wage and At will employment.   Countries with both of these conditions seem to work the best and attracting "real" Jobs.  (Removal of at will employment while keeping min wage seems to be disasterous for countries like this though.)

 

Well either that or just ban anyone with a guardian from getting a job.  I wouldn't recommend that though.