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nuckles87 on 31 July 2013
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the2real4mafol said:
thranx said:
the2real4mafol said:

A country is either socialist or it isn't. America isn't, i wouldn't even say most of Europe is (maybe some of the Northern European countries). But honestly, if look at democrats or republicans they are both conservatives, one is just conservative lite. The left or socialism doesn't exist in America. Stuff like obamacare or any work benefits in America could be considered socialist but it don't make the whole country socialist 

Sorry the world isn't that black and white. The welfare parts of the US government are definatly socialist traits. Most countries are a mix of both socailism and capitalism. Not either or. China while socailist, also has capitolist policies too. I cant think of a single country that is pure socialism. Can you?

Not even the countries that claim to be socialist are really that "socialist". I suppose it's really just a label that i misused, although there are huge differences between how things are run in every country. North Korea- a country that is really based on Social Darwinism and very authoritarian values. China- Socialism, Capitalism and Authoritarianism mixed together. Cuba/ Vietnam/ Lao- kept their authoritarian governments from the revolution but have some sort of free market today. All but North Korea have embraced State Capitalism recently. But i wouldn't call America socialist on it's own but Capitalist with some socialist traits as you said. China is obviously more Socialist with the state heavily involved in the economy but yeah there is free trade in some parts now. 



Well this saved be an explanation I thought shouldn't even be needed. Yes, exactly. There is no such thing as a purely capitalist, socialist, or communist society, simply because these are ideals, more so then something that can be adhered to strictly. America is a LOT less capitalistic then it was in the 19th century, when their were far fewer social programs and far more debters prisons and poor houses. These days America has PLENTY of socialist institutions. Likewise, it is a requirement in the European Union for any prospective future members to have viable capitalist economies. Europe HAS capitalism. There is no either/or here. So when someone says "America isn't socialist" or "Europe doesn't have capitalism", I have to point out that they are wrong, as I am tired of seeing these terms misused. Now, I hope that's the end of this.
burninmylight said:
Figgycal said:
People seem to be under the impression that you can live on 7.50 an hour. okay sure.


That's why you leave those sort of jobs to teenagers and basement nerds. Both still live with their parents. If you're trying to make it on your own, you go for something better.



If life were that simple, I'm sure they would. Unfortunately it isn't and for many people these are the only sorts of jobs available to them. I would fully support a new minimum wage only for people 18 and up.