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happydolphin said:

ultima said:

happydolphin said:

It can be exclusive in one account, and inclusive in the other. I haven't gone in depth in the matter but at this level of debate that much should be obvious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interval_(mathematics)#Excluding_the_endpoints

Lol, I'm a math major. Excluding the endpoints of a nontrivial interval (meaning it's neither empty nor consisting of a single element) of a real line does not change the length of the interval.

Answer my question, how many generations are there from father to son? There's no inclusive/exclusive convention. There's a well-defined way to count this. If you stray from the well-defined convention, then you're doing it wrong. I'm not exactly sure which passages you're talking about, but if Matthew was indeed counting it, by your terminology, inclusively, then he was doing it wrong. It's as simple as that.

Also, please do go look at Matthew 1 and Luke 3. The discrepancy in the number of generations is so great, that you can't use inclusion/exclusion to walk around it (and don't take this as a validation that your previous use of inclusion/exclusion was okay).

Okay, that's great. Have you heard of discrete mathematics? I have, because I'm a Software Engineering major. This is what I know. You can include or exclude the bounds in an interval when you're talking about discrete entities like generations.

Do you know what the convention was in those days, in their culture? If you do, then I'd like to see your sources.

I will go look at it, but so far I see no problem (I skimmed over it).

Here, I'll make it easier for you:

According to Luke:

Joseph,

the son of Heli,

the son of Matthat,

the son of Levi,

the son of Melchi,

the son of Janna,

the son of Joseph,

the son of Mattathiah,

the son of Amos,

the son of Nahum,

the son of Esli,

the son of Naggai,

the son of Maath,

the son of Mattathiah,

the son of Semei,

the son of Joseph,

the son of Judah,

the son of Joannas,

the son of Rhesa,

the son of Zerubbabel,

the son of Shealtiel,

the son of Neri,

the son of Melchi,

the son of Addi,

the son of Cosam,

the son of Elmodam,

the son of Er,

the son of Jose,

the son of Eliezer,

the son of Jorim,

the son of Matthat,

the son of Levi,

the son of Simeon,

the son of Judah,

the son of Joseph,

the son of Jonan,

the son of Eliakim,

the son of Melea,

the son of Menan,

the son of Mattathah,

the son of Nathan,

the son of David,

the son of Jesse,

the son of Obed,

the son of Boaz,

the son of Salmon,

the son of Nahshon,

the son of Amminadab,

the son of Ram,

the son of Hezron,

the son of Perez,

the son of Judah,

the son of Jacob,

the son of Isaac,

the son of Abraham.

According to Matthew:

Abraham was the father of Isaac,

Isaac the father of Jacob,

Jacob the father of Judah,

Judah the father of Perez,

Perez the father of Hezron,

Hezron the father of Ram,

Ram the father of Amminadab,

Amminadab the father of Nahshon,

Nahshon the father of Salmon,

Salmon the father of Boaz,

Boaz the father of Obed,

Obed the father of Jesse,

and Jesse the father of King David.

David was the father of Solomon,

Solomon the father of Rehoboam,

Rehoboam the father of Abijah,

Abijah the father of Asa,

Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,

Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,

Jehoram the father of Uzziah,

Uzziah the father of Jotham,

Jotham the father of Ahaz,

Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,

Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,

Manasseh the father of Amon,

Amon the father of Josiah,

and Josiah the father of Jeconiah.

After the exile to Babylon:

Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,

Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,

Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,

Abihud the father of Eliakim,

Eliakim the father of Azor,

Azor the father of Zadok,

Zadok the father of Akim,

Akim the father of Elihud,

Elihud the father of Eleazar,

Eleazar the father of Matthan,

Matthan the father of Jacob,

and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.

If nothing else, the lengths of the two lists are significantly different.