| Jay520 said: 2. No, being all-powerful and loving/wanting a relationship with every human is relevant. They are relevant because there's a contradiction between God's apparent want for a relationship with every human and the fact that every human isn't given a fair and reasonable opportunity to form such a relationship; despite God's power to give them the opportunity. The air analogy doesn't work. 3. If that's the case, everyone does believe in God, no one's an atheist, and no one's going to Hell. Since every healthy person at one point has a conscience or inner voice, which is really the presence of God. The only true atheists would be people who lack the cognitive capacity to develop a conscience due to biological problems. These people will go to Hell since they are inherently incapable of finding God... but I don't think you want to make that argument. |
2. Once again, you're making the faulty assumption that, because this god has a relationship, that the person at the other end of the relationship identifies it as a "relationship with god". You assume that awareness means understanding. You assume that the relationship can only exist if the person calls it "god". You assume that one must be introduced to scripture, or taught of this god, in order to form a relationship.
3. I didn't say that your courage, conscience, or inner voice is god. I said that you can't be 100% sure that it isn't. You can't be absolutely certain that you have no relationship with god, just because you don't identify that relationship as a "relationship with god". Keep in mind, I'm an atheist myself; I just recognise that logical arguments can't disprove the existence of god, because one can't disprove existence of "real" things (as opposed to, for instance, mathematical things, where you can indeed prove that there are no non-trivial solutions to a^n+b^n=c^n for integer n>2). And what you've said about "if that's the case" is precisely my point - if it's the case, then your premise, that there exists people who lack awareness of their relationship with god and do not resist god, is false. And since you can't prove that it isn't the case, I have shown that the truth value of your premise has not been determined.
