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Raider84 on 25 July 2013
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the-pi-guy said:
TheProphet said:
the-pi-guy said:
TheProphet said:

Just look at history. Who fights in wars men, not women. Who is in prison for violence, a lot of men and very few woment. And btw, women have babies, so logically their anatomy is designed to support that task, attracting a mate, having a womb, breasts to nuture. Do women go hunting and fishing or to the beauty parlor. Are they more interested than men in raising children, feeding, clothing, etc. You are problably don't have any children yourself. So take it from someone who really knows women, who have made new lifes with them, woman are not the same as men.


I know several woman who go hunting and fishing that don't go to the beauty parlor. I don't think woman in the game are really that violent, aside from a few circumstances.  The men seem to be more violent in the game.  In recent times, women have been fighting wars with men.  Men and women of the same species share similar psychology and are different, but women will DEFINITELY become violent if they need to.  Which is unquestionably the case for The Last of Us.  

Being honest, none of your arguments are helping me understand your position.  Have you ever heard of "Tomboys"?

What you should realize is that when I say women, I mean a good statistical representation. Just because you know a couple of people that do this or that in no way speaks about the population. Across the entire population very few women compete with men physically. That would be illogical since they would most certainly loose. Are you saying that men and women are the same when it comes to playing baskeet ball, football, tennis, track and field, or even chess, mathematics, physics. No women are designed to be different than men. 


But none of the female characters are really of "a good statistical representation".  They are almost all very high on their hierarchy.  Marlene -> Leader of Fireflies,  Tess is shown to be feared as well for her position.  If you notice when you are walking in the (back alleys)? in the earlier part of the game, Tess is the one that is mentioned.  I'm guessing she is like a drug lord in the game.  As for Ellie, probably only high on the hierarchy due to Marlene being her friend.  They are there because they are probably more violent/determined than the average woman even for the time.  

I said they are similar but different.  Similar == almost same, doesn't mean same.  There are statistical differences in men and women usually, but Ellie is really the only one you can consider to be part of a regular case.  Even Ellie can kill if she's desperate enough, usually with the help of Joel.  

Your "beauty parlor" example was very silly. Going to a beauty parlor is only part of a social evolution.  Social evolution, the change over time of social values (maybe there is a different term)  is happening very rapidly.  How we react towards certain groups of people can change with a single event.  Basically days or even hours could change some of our social values due in part to paranoia.  I think violence would be more of a social value as well as a psychological one.  When we are violent towards others vs being violent at all.  

The reason why men are better at some things and woman at others is because of evolution.  Woman became better at multitasking to care for children while gathering berries and men became more strategic and athletic for hunting.  But they aren't drastic differences, typically these differences are compensated by other advantages.  If you are weak, then make a plan without brute strength.  If you have to use brute strength, attack weak points.  

--You probably don't believe in evolution or do you?

Firstly... This was pretty awesome... and so perfectly presented... Kudos to you... 

Secondly... Evolution is as close to a scientific fact as you can get.. The Theory of Evolution... If you know anything about Science, you know that even to become a theory there has to be overwhelming statistical evidence, after extensive testing over a long period of time with a very large sample size. Don't believe in Evolution because it is a Theory? 

Gravity is also only a Theory. The Theory of Gravity... 

Pretty sure I'm not floating away... I'm more than comfortable putting all of my eggs into that basket... The OP doesn't believe that women are in the same hierarchy as men.. You think he is going to be able to wrap his brain around a concept such as evolution over millions of years? Yea... Good luck with that one (; haha