Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
killerzX said:
Mr Khan said:
Unions protect us all from exploitation, and are the only reason that a 40-hour work week is the standard. Too much Union power is not the answer, but neither is a lack of unions.
If all of the working class suffers in poor working conditions, who is going to drive the economy? The super-rich can only buy so many yachts.
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except for the inconvienient fact that the 40 hr work week was implemented without unions.
and no, unions dont protect us from exploitation, in fact they like bending us over and giving it to us. they free market and the free transferance of information is what protects us from exploitation. which is why when a state becomes right to work (giving people the option to opt out of the union, not being forced into it) almost everybody leaves the union.
at bolded: you are seeming more and more each day to actually be a parody of a socialist, and not a genuine statist.
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The employer holds the natural bargaining power in any given situation. The workers need mass representation in order to prevent exploitation. If you don't think this country isn't absolutely stupid with worker exploitation (from the so-called job creators) today, then there is no hope for you.
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Except the problem is... State unions are also voting blocks that basically overpower local politics granting huge unsustainable benefits for local politcians. Which were the problematic unions... not the UAW. (Heck, auto industry is doing great right now!)
I think that's secretly why some public unions require you to live OUTSIDE the city to be a part of the union. That's how the cleveland paramdeics union works. If you live IN cleveland you can't be a paramedic in cleveland.
Of course that said, while state unions were a huge problem, it's not like they were the only problem. The giant shrinking of the city in population while keeping the same land size played it's part as well.
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at bolded: i think that was more a result of detroits failure, than a cause.
