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Kasz216 on 23 July 2013
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Mr Khan said:
killerzX said:
Mr Khan said:
 

Unions protect us all from exploitation, and are the only reason that a 40-hour work week is the standard. Too much Union power is not the answer, but neither is a lack of unions.

If all of the working class suffers in poor working conditions, who is going to drive the economy? The super-rich can only buy so many yachts.

except for the inconvienient fact that the 40 hr work week was implemented without unions.

and no, unions dont protect us from exploitation, in fact they like bending us over and giving it to us. they free market and the free transferance of information is what protects us from exploitation. which is why when a state becomes right to work (giving people the option to opt out of the union, not being forced into it) almost everybody leaves the union. 

at bolded: you are seeming more and more each day to actually be a parody of a socialist, and not a genuine statist.

The employer holds the natural bargaining power in any given situation. The workers need mass representation in order to prevent exploitation. If you don't think this country isn't absolutely stupid with worker exploitation (from the so-called job creators) today, then there is no hope for you.


Except the problem is... State unions are also voting blocks that basically overpower local politics granting huge unsustainable benefits for local politcians.   Which were the problematic unions... not the UAW.  (Heck, auto industry is doing great right now!)

I think that's secretly why some public unions require you to live OUTSIDE the city to be a part of the union.  That's how the cleveland paramdeics union works.  If you live IN cleveland you can't be a paramedic in cleveland.

Of course that said, while state unions were a huge problem, it's not like they were the only problem.  The giant shrinking of the city in population while keeping the same land size played it's part as well.

 

It's all really just a message on how well meaning laws can end up fucking over everyone, including those it was meant to help.   A number of laws meant to help out cities and the poor ended up crippling a large number of cities.  Crosstown bussing desegregation being a big one.

That just wasn't the best way to handle defacto segregation.


The biggest employers in the city of detroit are the various state run entities of the city of detroit.  That put's it plainly why at this rate they will never make it back to even... the bigger percentage the public sector is of the workforce, the more you have to tax the private sector to pay them.  The city is just too big... with too few people.

 

Additionally, the real issue here is going to be the lawyers for the pensioners.  Chances are the cut to pensions will be even across the board.  If the poorer pensioners were smart they'd band together and get their own represnetation to cut out the bigger city officials pulling down 6 figure pensions.