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kitler53 on 19 July 2013
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landguy1 said:
Zekkyou said:
In all honesty it feels more that they have come to see how important the indie community is and are now doing another 180 on the matter, just behind closed doors. As long as they bring proper support come launch day, all is well.

I have seen a number of comments similar to this.  How do any of the people associated with or posting on VGChartz have any real idea how M$ has been dealing with indies from the start?  We have no idea...  We also have no idea how Sony has been dealing with them.  I am sure it will come out in the distant future, but we will have no real idea for some time.  The few "articles" that I have found on the net pertaining to this don't have any real info, they just seem to be "bloggers" and "writers" that are sharing an opinion but no real info on the matter. 

If we step back and look at this a little different, we can see that the XBone has the Windows RT OS running on it.  The Win RT OS has 100,000+ apps now available to it.  Do we really think that M$ isn't going to have some ability to run most if not all of those apps on the XBone?  Now, of course a large chunk of those are silly and stupid, but what this will do is allow any developer to make a game that works on the 100+ million windows 8 pc's and with probably small changes also work on XBone.  Will these apps be AAA games?  NO, but most independant games usually aren't anyway.  But, they will allow people to go after creating new and unique things to the XBone.

Just my opinion, but that's the whole point of these posts on here anyway isn't it?

google "team meat" and you'll get plenty of insight to any number extreemly vocal complaints from the indie scence towards MS for the last 2-3 years.  that's actually the point, this isn't a "oh we just having announced a xbone strategy" thing.  MS has been in the bad with the indies for a long time now which makes these PR statements even more disingenuous. 

sony is getting better, indies have been vocal about it and more importantly the huge number of timed (and possibly fully) exclusive indie titles coming to ps4/vita says it all.  indies, in general, don't want to work with MS anymore.  this is a huge turn-around from the early days when castle crashers, limbo, braid, fez, shank, and a ton of other big indie games where exclusive to MS.

the critical point of contention is being able to self publish.  sony allows it now.  nintendo allows it now.  ms does not and has officially stated as such.   ...well, not unless you develop for windows which means also supporting other devices (like the surface which doesn't have a controller meaning games have to be re-worked for new control schemes).   if ms changes from their aforementioned statement: it's xbox 180 again.